Baby Girl Cheng

Leanne writes:

Our baby name dilemma is choosing a name for a second daughter. I feel like we either used or rejected all our potential names girls’ names for our first daughter and now we can’t find anything we like for number two. Our surname is Cheng and as our future daughter would be of Chinese ethnicity it would be good if the name wasn’t overtly connected with a particular country (ie. not distinctly Irish, Russian etc) although it’s fine if it’s a name that has crossed over into regular English use. Our first daughter’s name is Gabriella Grace and it would be good to have a name with a similar feel (but not matching). If it’s a boy we are thinking of Ethan which we think goes pretty well with Gabriella. We are not planning on using any family names this time around as we already used Grace (my MIL’s name) and while everyone else seems to have Emilys and Williams in their family tree, mine reads like a list of the worst names in history (seriously – Maureen, Frank, Mildred, Doris, Arthur, Edith, Norman – Urgh!)

We tend to like classic names and biblical names. Actually, that’s not entirely true – I tend to like names that are a bit more unusual (Willow, Autumn, Bliss, Keiko) and my husband likes any girl’s name that was in the top 50 twenty years ago (Jennifer, Sarah, Rachel) but classic and biblical names tend to be where we find the most agreement (hence – Gabriella Grace).

Some of the names that we like but have rejected are:

  • Emily (Beautiful but WAY too common)
  • Isabelle (Beautiful but WAY too common and too matchy with Gabriella)
  • Alexandria/Alexandra (Great name but I couldn’t live with her forever being called “Alex”)
  • Annastasia (Great name but I couldn’t live with her forever being called “Anna” or “Annie”)
  • Cassandra (I like it but my husband hates it)

Other names that we couldn’t do:

Olivia/Sophie/Hannah/Lily/Rosie/Ruby/Caroline/Ellen/Audrey (We have close friends/family who have already used these names)

The one name we are still considering is Taya (a diminutive of Dorothy) which we both like but my concern is that it sounds too modern to go with Gabriella (and a possible future Ethan) and that it is one of those fad names (along with Mia/Maya/Mya/Tia/Kaia) that in 20 years time is going to sound horrendously dated.

Can you help us? I am terrified this child will come along and we will end up naming her something that we don’t like that much just because we don’t have anything better. We are adopting so I can’t give you a due date but we are hoping it will be some time this year.

I see you don’t like nicknames (no Alex, no Annie), and the good news is that the trends are fully on your side. When I was growing up, I had a friend named Elizabeth who had a TERRIBLE TIME trying to make people call her Elizabeth—and furthermore, I remember people being annoyed that she was trying, like she was being pretentious or something. But now, there have been three Elizabeths in my kids’ classes, and all three went by Elizabeth without anyone blinking an eye. In fact, you’d be in more trouble if you WANTED to call an Elizabeth “Liz” or a James “Jim.”

On the other hand, I’m totally with you about not wanting to take the chance. My daughter’s pseudonym is Elizabeth, and one of the only reasons it’s not her real name is that I was nervous about nicknames—not so much about nicknames other people might give her (I was planning to use soft words and a big stick to talk them out of it), but about nicknames she might give to herself. So for now, let’s look mostly at names that don’t BEG for nicknames: we’ll take out Annastasia/Annie, Cassandra/Cassie, Isabelle/Bella, and Alexandria/Alex.

No, wait. I’m putting Annastasia back in, but I’m spelling it the traditional way: Anastasia. I think the double N invites the nickname Annie, but that with a single N it’s less of an obvious leap. Plus, I love the name, I love it with your surname, and I think it’s great with Gabriella.

I’m not familiar with Taya as a short form of Dorothy, and I don’t see it in the Oxford Dictionary of First Names. But in any case, I don’t think it’s good with Gabriella or with your surname.

Emily is, as you say, very common (it’s been the #1 most popular girl name in the U.S. since 1996, according to the Social Security Administration). Although, a funny thing about that: there hasn’t been a single Emily in all my kids’ classes so far (that’s 9 classes including preschool). There have been multiple Isabellas, Abigails, Emmas, and Noahs, but not a single Emily. So if you love the name, it’s worth looking into whether it’s as popular in your area as it is in mine—which is to say, hardly popular at all. It’s a great name, which is why it’s so popular, and it’s great with your surname.

Perhaps not as great with Gabriella. Emily is a feminine name, but Gabriella is practically festooned with lace and roses. I, too, am a fan of extra-feminine names (I have one girl and four boys, and my one girl has the most feminine name I could find). I’d consider Clarissa: it’s one of my top favorites, it’s great with your surname, and it’s good with Gabriella.

And speaking of being good with Gabriella, let’s see what The Baby Name Wizard thinks would be good sister names. “Gabriella” isn’t listed, but the sister names for Gabriela are Daniela, Natalia, Angelica, Mariana, Iliana; and the sister names for Gabrielle are Alexandra, Brooke, Natalie, Noelle, and Jocelyn.

Any of those appeal? I could go for Angelica (Anjelica Huston is a bitchin’ namesake and argues for the spelling Anjelica), Iliana, or Noelle.

Can anyone else think of a suggestion? Leave it in the comment section, and/or vote for one of the suggestions in the poll to the right [poll closed; see below].

[Poll results:
Anastasia: 17 votes, roughly 27%
Clarissa: 6 votes, roughly 10%
Angelica/Anjelica: 12 votes, roughly 19%
Iliana/Eliana: 10 votes, roughly 16%
Noelle: 18 votes, roughly 29%

Also 14 write-in votes for the name Claudia. That puts Claudia up there between Anjelica and Anastasia in popularity with the voters.]

Middle Name Challenge: Baby Girl Hannah ___

Sara writes:

As you may know, we have had some trouble in the last week or so in choosing a name for our baby girl, who is due this August. Although friends of ours (my brother’s in-laws) have used our name, we have decided to stick with the first name Hannah. I am absolutely in love with the name Hannah Grace, but Hub is not keen on the middle name. He will accept it, (I think) but he reasons that is sounds like a product; as in: “I need to go to the store for some Hannah Grace”. Since he still brings up that he is not a fan of the middle name of our first daughter, I would like to at least come to middle ground here. So please help me!!! The only stipulation I have is that the middle name can not begin with an “O” based on our last name. If you were saying her first name, middle initial and last name, it would sound something like “Hannah Obedient.” Our other children are named Edmund Mason and Caitlyn Renee if that helps.

Normally when I’m choosing a middle name, I like to choose something that has significance to me (a favorite author’s name, a favorite relative’s name), or something that didn’t quite make our First Name list (too unusual for us, a name that doesn’t fit with sibling names), or something that in some way balances the first name (a traditional middle name to balance a contemporary first name, or vice versa).

In your situation, where you already know the first name is common in your group, I’d shoot for a different goal: I’d be looking for a middle name that sounded good when I needed to use it to differentiate MY Hannah from THEIR Hannah. Something short and easy to say—very similar to your first choice of Hannah Grace.

Hannah Claire
Hannah Faith
Hannah Fay
Hannah Jane
Hannah Jeanne
Hannah June
Hannah Kate
Hannah Sue

Go on and vote in the poll to the right [poll closed; see below], but also leave your comment below: What would you choose as the middle name for Hannah?

[Poll results:
Hannah Claire: 41 votes, roughly 38%
Hannah Faith: 4 votes, roughly 4%
Hannah Fay: 4 votes, roughly 4%
Hannah Jane: 29 votes, roughly 27%
Hannah Jeanne: 0 votes
Hannah June: 9 votes, roughly 8%
Hannah Kate: 20 votes, roughly 18%
Hannah Sue: 2 votes, roughly 2%]

[Update! Sara writes: “Although I was set on Grace for a middle name, Hub changed his mind in the delivery room and we settled on Lynne. SO…baby named Hannah Lynne. Thanks for the help. :)”]

Baby Girl ___ ___ La-GARE-y

Rachel writes:

We are less than a month away from having a baby girl and though we’ve been trying for months to come up with a name, no luck yet! I’m starting to feel the pressure. We already have two boy names we love: Nicolas (shortened to Nico) and Atticus. Our last name sounds like la-GARE-y but is filled with many more vowels (three i’s). It’s Fijian, though we have no cultural connections to Fiji, and usually mispronounced and misspelled. We’d like to use a family name if possible as a middle name, but it’s not our top priority. We would like to avoid a name that’s becoming extremely popular (top 25 or so). Here are the girl names we’ve considered:

Zoë: This is probably #1, but my main concern is how it sounds with the last name. Is it too sing-songy with the double “ee” sound? Would the umlaat be annoying? Is it getting too popular? My husband likes the spelling Zoey better (which I don’t like). Grace is our first pick for a middle name, but Mae would be an alternate–it’s both my grandma’s and mine.

Beatrix: Love the “x” and that it’s old-fashioned sounding. Bea and Trixie could both make for cute nicknames (though Trixie might be a little much). One of our families loves it, the other hates it.

Fiona: Worried about Shrek connotations and Fiona Apple.

Grace: Love the name, but it’s just getting so popular.

Eva: I like it as is. Am worried about pronunciation (we like “EH-va,” not EVE-ah”). Husband wants long version to be Evaline, which is cute but I don’t know that it is a good match for our pronunciation of Eva or if that matters. Also, Ava is getting super popular. Husband is worried that Eva sounds too “Germanic.”

Nico: Husband’s favorite, even though we like it for a boy. Long version Nicolette or maybe Nicola. I’d like to save it for a boy and can’t decide if Nicolette is too frilly.

Agnes: We both like the name, but husband has bad connotations due to “Agnes of God.”

Middle names we’ve considered: Grace, Mae, Pearl (husband’s grandma’s middle name).

As you can tell, we’re finding faults with every name we come up with (and there aren’t many we agree on). Help!

I LOVE the name Beatrix. LOVE! IT! I think it’s sassy and strong and feminine. It brings to mind the independent, strong-willed, artistic Beatrix Potter. I would use the nickname Bee, which I think is so adorable it almost makes me keel over—or possibly the nickname Bix, which ditto. And when she’s in her cynical cool stage in high school, she can go by Beat. Plus, it’s great with your last name. LOVE THIS NAME. WANT YOU TO USE IT. FORCING SELF TO MOVE ON TO OTHER POSSIBILITIES.

The name Fiona was a finalist for my one girl child. I love the name, and it’s great with your last name.

As you say, the name Grace is getting popular: #17 in 2006 (source: Social Security Administration). Still, it’s a name with long roots, and that makes it popular as opposed to trendy: it’s a name that will rise and fall over millennia, not a flash-in-the-pan we may never see again. If the popularity bothers you, I agree it would make a good middle name.

If you want the name Eva pronounced a way other than EE-vuh, I think you’re going to go bat-crap crazy trying to make it happen. If what you’re looking for is AY-vuh, use Ava—but again, you’re right on about popularity (Ava was #5 in 2006). If you want EH-vuh (like Evan without the N), then…..Evva, maybe? Evaline is darling.

Let’s get you some more choices to consider. The Baby Name Wizard suggests these sister names for the boy names you like: Gia, Halle, Anika, Ivy, Elle (for Nico); Beatrix, Artemisia, Athena, Paloma, Anaïs (for Atticus).

Hey, it’s Beatrix! I love Athena and Gia, too. I think Halle and Elle are difficult with your surname. I’m not sure how to pronounce Anika–is it an-NEEK-uh, or AN-ih-kuh? Either way, it may be too similar to the name Nico, if you think you might use that boy name in the future.

Ivy is one of my top-favorite girl names—but when I mentioned it to my kids, they went to “Poison Ivy, she’s poison, don’t let her touch you!” in 2 seconds flat. My mom was skeptical of my results (we both LOVE the name); she was teaching third grade at the time and mentioned the name experimentally to her class, and they made the same immediate leap. I’m hoping the name will soon become more common so that this will be less of a problem.

From your list, then, I’m taking Beatrix (use it use it use it), Fiona, Grace, and Evaline. From the sister name lists, I’m taking Athena and Gia.

I asked Stephanie G. of The Wonder Worrier to weigh in:

This is FATE!
My own middle name is “Mae”. M-A-E, Mae.
So, with just a pinch of bias, I say choose Mae for the middle name. Here are my reasons:

1. It’s short.

2. It flows with a wide variety of first names.
3. Although it’s an easy-to-pronounce name (“May”), it has the added bonus of an unusual spelling with that “–ae” ending.
4. I love to see people using a family name as a middle name.
5. It’s MY middle name, and I’m a pretty cool cat.

Now let’s move on to the first name!
I like your name ideas very much, my favourites from your list are Fiona and Zoe (FYI – for our reader’s visualization and help with pronunciation, I am using “LaGAREy” as the last name beside my full names below).
Fiona: This name has grown on me, as there was an ADORABLE little girl in the childcare centre I used to work at named Fiona. Fiona Mae LaGAREy flows really nicely. I think the Shrek franchise has helped rather than hindered this name – more people will be accepting of Fiona without finding it too outdated or strange (they’ll feel like they’ve heard it recently, but not all will realize its because of Shrek), and the Shrek franchise will not be as popular when your child reaches school-age (let’s be realistic, it’s no Little Mermaid, haha!). And if Shrek does last, in her future as a five-year-old who might be princess-obsessed, she’ll appreciate that her name is a princess name!
Zoe: I prefer this spelling to “Zoey” (sorry to your Hubby). Zoey looks like “Zoo-ey” to me. I don’t think Zoe is too sing-songy either, I think it’s sort of cute when a name slightly rhymes with the last name (plus, you don’t say both names together ALL the time, it’ll just be an introduction thing – and think of her friends later, she’ll always be “Zoe LaGAREy”, easy to say and memorable!). I feel like Zoe is a well-known enough name to not have pronunciation or spelling issues, and yet I don’t see this as an overly popular/overused name. Just be prepared, you can spell it with the dots over the E (in layman’s terms), but I see that being dropped before long, especially if you’re located in North America. For Zoe I would choose Grace as the middle name for better flow, but Mae is still a solid choice.
Beatrix LaGAREy is a no for me. I think of Bellatrix LeStrange from the Harry Potter series, and also Trixie is a little too … lady of the night … for my tastes. Or something better suited for a pet than a child.
Nico (Nicolette, Nicola… or another option: Nicoletta) is lovely, but if you have your heart set on it for a boy, you might not want to use it yet for your first child (because maybe the second will be a boy and you might regret having already used it; conversely, if the second is a girl too you can still choose Nico then, but at least you gave it a try at using it for a boys name). I see the nickname Nico as a more masculine nickname, but that’s just personal preference.
Here are a few other suggestions that I feel are a similar style to the types of names you’re coming up with (these are from my own head, haha):
  • Chloe Mae
  • Olivia Mae
  • Gwendolyn /Gwenyth (nn Gwen) Mae
  • Sofia/Sophia Mae (nn Sophie/Sofie)
  • Ava Grace (becoming very popular though)
  • Claudia Mae
  • Alexa Mae / Alexa Grace (for a name with an “x” in it – or perhaps Alexandria or Alexis)

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Nice stuff, Steph!—even though you disagree with me on Beatrix, which NOT ALLOWED. Let’s pluck Gwendolyn and Claudia from that list above and add them to our contenders.

Voting time! Vote in the poll over to the right [poll closed; see below], and leave your comments below.

[Poll results:
Zoe: 15 votes, roughly 13%
Beatrix: 43 votes, roughly 38%
Fiona: 20 votes, roughly 18%
Grace: 4 votes, roughly 4%
Evaline: 14 votes, roughly 13%
Athena: 1 vote, roughly 1%
Gia: 5 votes, roughly 4%
Gwendolyn: 7 votes, roughly 6%
Claudia: 3 votes, roughly 3%]

Baby Boy ___ J. Dillier, Brother to Alex Richard

Dear Swistle,

We are expecting our second son in June. Our 2.5 year old is named Alex Richard Dillier. My problem is that my husband is ridiculously picky about names, in fact, he has a whole list of his own naming rules which has effectively vetoed each and every name I’ve ever suggested. We have managed to find one name we both like, Max James Dillier, but I’d really like to have a few more choices to consider. We’d like to use the middle name James, but also considering John for a middle name as well.

Here are my husband’s naming rules:

  1. No presidential names (like Kennedy, Regan or Clinton)
  2. No biblical names
  3. The name has to be “American”. Meaning we can’t use names that are obviously from a different culture or country (e.g., Paco, Sven, Pierre or Kumar)
  4. The name can’t mean anything in English (even with different spelling). Most names mean something in some language somewhere, but he doesn’t want our child to be named something like Paige (like a page in a book) or Brooke (as in a stream) or Cole (like a lump of coal)
  5. No cars (Mercedes, Porche, Astin, Cooper or Bentley are all out. Also Harley, even though it’s not a car, but a motorcycle)
  6. No names that are also names of a widely known company (Unfortunately, my very favorite name, Avery, is a paper company)
  7. No names that have multiple different spellings. Like my name Jamie or Jaime. This is a problem because there is a trend where people give their children a common name then spell it in a unique way. For example, instead of naming your child Ashley, you name her Ashleigh. Essentially, if John has to ask how we would spell it, it is vetoed.
  8. No geographical names (e.g., Austin, Dakota, Paris…)
  9. No androgynous names. The name has to be distinctly male or female. Unfortunately this vetoes Avery again, also Afton, Peyton and Delaney.
  10. Cannot contract into a common nickname. No Nicholas (Nick), Benjamin (Ben) or Abigail (Abby). We can, however, name our child just the nickname (which is why we have an Alex instead of an Alexander).
  11. The name can’t be a common last name. (e.g., Conner, Sullivan, Anderson, etc.)
  12. The initials can not spell a word or common acronym. Like Max Alan Dillier (MAD) or Benjamin James (BJ)

HELP! And, good luck!

Jamie

 

HA HA HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HAHA HA! *wipes tears* HA HA HA! *gasp* HA HA HAHA HA! Oh, Jamie! This is wonderful! HA HA HA HA HA!

I’m reminded of an old Saturday Night Live skit in which the husband (played by Nicolas Cage) completely vetoes every single name his wife (played by Julia Sweeney) suggests. I wonder in your husband’s case if a lifetime of having a name which is a also a slang word for (1) a toilet and (2) a prostitute’s client, is the sort of thing that takes its toll on a man?

Well! Let’s get started, shall we? We only have until June to sift through all the baby names and see if any slip through that net of rules.

The Baby Name Wizard suggests these brother names for Alex: Jake, Cole, Evan, Drew, Luke. We can eliminate Cole (word name) and Drew (word name) right off the bat, which leaves us with Jake, Evan, and Luke. Considering the huge popularity of the name Jacob (#1 most popular boy name in the U.S. since 1999, according to the Social Security Administration), I’d avoid the name Jake. A lot of those Jacobs are already using it.

Evan and Luke are both good candidates. They’re both good with Alex, they’re both boyish, they’re spelled only that way. Neither one is a common brand name, an initials problem, a presidential name, a nickname hazard, etc. One little hitch is that Luke could be considered a biblical name—but it’s become so mainstream, I don’t think it’s any more biblical than Matthew, Mark, or John.

Evan James Dillier (EJD)
Evan John Dillier (EJD)
Luke James Dillier (LJD)
Luke John Dillier (LJD)

A second hitch with Luke is that it’s not great with either of your middle name possibilities: too choppy with two 1-syllable names in a row. In fact, let’s scrap Luke. But let’s keep Evan.

You mention you both like the name Max. The Baby Name Wizard suggests these brother names for Max: Leo, Oliver, Felix, Theo, Sam. And will you look at that: four of those names meet all of your husband’s rules. The only one that doesn’t fit is Oliver, which would give you the meaningful initials O.D. This time I’m going to try the names only with the middle name James:

Leo James Dillier (LJD)
Felix James Dillier (FJD)
Theo James Dillier (TJD)
Sam James Dillier (SJD)

I continue to prefer the sound of the 2-syllable first names. Here are a few more 2-syllable choices, several of them chosen because they were the “FINALLY! A name we can agree on!” for families I know.

Aaron James Dillier (AJD)
Eric James Dillier (EJD)
Henry James Dillier (HJD)
Jared James Dillier (JJD)
Simon James Dillier (SJD)

Naming Etiquette: Who Has Dibs on a Family Name?

Dear Swistle,

Hi! I have more of a naming etiquette question. I am currently pregnant with my first child. This will be the first grandchild on my side of the family. We don’t know the sex, so are picking two names to have ready. We are pretty settled on our boy name (and aren’t sharing with the world, much to everyone’s dismay).

The problem lies in the girl name. Me and my sisters all want to name a child after a beloved grandmother. Since I am the first to have a child, do I get first dibs? I have a feeling my one sister will go ahead and name her child the same thing and that kind of bothers me. Does it bother you? Is it strange to have first cousins with the same name? There are two possible nicknames for this name and we both want the same one.

Let’s also mention that neither of my sisters have a boyfriend or are anywhere close to being married, let alone having a child. My husband and I both love this name and want to honor my grandmother, but also don’t want to have to deal with my sister naming her child the same thing, or even worse, the first thing out of her mouth being, but I am naming my little girl that. Decisions, decisions.

Elizabeth

 

I have a very, very, very, very strong opinion on this subject. VERY. Here it is: NO ONE has exclusive dibs on ANY name. NO ONE.

Basic human consideration should show us situations in which people might voluntarily give up their right to use a name. For example, if your best friend has always liked the name Amelia and always talked about using it for her daughter, you might want to voluntarily choose to avoid using it because you know she wouldn’t like you to. Or, some families have naming traditions such as that the first son of the first son is named Robert. If you are not the first son, you may of course still use the name Robert for your child, but may want to voluntarily refrain from doing so because you know it would make the extended family unhappy.

In the situation you describe, you are free to use the name: unless you’re leaving out important information in your letter, there is no reason for you to voluntarily give up the name. BUT! Neither is there any reason for your sisters to voluntarily give up the name. It sounds as if all of you have equal claim to it.

If you choose to use this name for your daughter, you are claiming the privilege of using it first, and I think it would be particularly sweet for it to be the name of the first grandchild. As you’ve already realized, though, using it first doesn’t mean other people can’t still use it. If it bothers you to think of cousins with the same name, you may want to reconsider. BUT! Perhaps it would bother you even more to NOT use the name: imagine if you gave up on using it, and your sisters went ahead and used it. Or imagine if you gave up on using it, and your sisters didn’t use it after all.

I think it’s fine for cousins to have the same name. I even think it has a charm, particularly when it is the name of an adored grandmother: it pays her such an enormous tribute to have several namesakes. In your case, since you are sisters, if you are using your married surnames the girls will automatically have different names. You could also call them by first name and middle name, or first name and middle initial, or first name and surname initial.

If I were you, I would use the name. Even if your sisters use it too, you would still be the first—and it is a beautiful tribute to your grandmother. And it’s possible your sisters won’t want to use it, or will not have children, or will only have boys.

Best not to try to make any rules about who has the most right to use the name: you might have a boy this time, and one of your sisters may unexpectedly take the lead for First Girl. Best to leave your options open, in case you’re the one who later wants to use the same name your sister used.

In the meantime, rehearse what you’ll say if your sister’s first reaction to your baby’s name is a complaint. You could say graciously, “Oh, silly! No one has dibs on a name! You can use it too!” Or you can just say, “I’m so glad you like it!” as you celebrate in your secret heart that you got to use it first.

 

 

 

Name update!

It turns out the baby was a girl, so the question did actually apply. We used my grandmother’s name (the sacred name), Genevieve, for the middle name. So her name is Margaret Genevieve and we call her Greta.

Baby Girl J________

Dear Swistle,

My husband and I are expecting our first child (a girl) next month and we cannot decide on a name. The only name that we could really agree that we both love is Hannah, but we have both decided that it’s popularity bothers us. I like Lucy (he doesn’t), he likes Catherine (I don’t).

The two names that we have it narrowed down to are Harper Eve or Mary ___. I don’t think either of us love these names and we can’t think of a middle name for Mary (we aren’t Catholic and I don’t want the name to sound too Catholic, no offense). I wish that we had a family name that we loved, but we don’t. Our grandmothers names are Merlyn, Doris, Levora, and Dianne, none of which we care for. Our great grandmothers names are Ila, Maude, Sarah, Laura, Mary Ellen, Elise, Ernastine, and Ellis, but we’re not sold on any of these. I like Ila (or Ayla or Isla), but my husband hates it.

All of my sisters have names that start with a K sound and that is confusing enough that I don’t want to introduce another K (or hard C) name into the mix.

Our last name starts with J and is two syllables. We would like a name that isn’t weird, that is easy to spell and easy to pronounce, but that isn’t too popular. We tend to like classic names, although Harper has been one of my favorites for a long time so there are exceptions to this. We have nieces named Mia Rose, Sydney Anne, Emma May, and Hailey Elizabeth, so all of these are off limits.

Thanks so much :)

Erica

 

I like the name Harper VERY MUCH, and since you’ve liked it a long time, it’s tempting to just say, “Yes! Harper!,” make a poll with one choice on it, and dust off my hands after a job well done. I’m a huge fan of Eve, too—although I think a different middle name might work better with Harper.

There was a little girl named Mary in my son’s kindergarten class, and I was surprised at how fresh and uncommon it sounded. I think of it as a Very Common Name, but of course it ISN’T common in the current crop of babies. I like the family tie-in if you use Mary Ellen, but what about Mary Harper? (I considered Mary Hannah, but when I said it out loud I added “little lamb”: “Mary Hannah little lamb, its fleece was white as snow.”)

A name that catches my eye in your family name list is Laura. I think it’s beautiful. Laura Harper. Laura Eve. It’s easy to spell and pronounce, it’s classic, and according to the Social Security Administration it was only #172 in 2006. For comparison, that’s LESS COMMON than the names Genesis (#169) and Alondra (#170).

If you both love the name Hannah, and you agree on it, I think you should reconsider using it. It’s a beautiful, classic name with long roots. But if its popularity continues to bother you, I’d go with Laura. That’s my top choice: Laura Harper J____ (LHJ). Family connection. Classic. Easy to pronounce and spell. Not too common and not too weird. And it incorporates the name Harper, which you’ve liked for a long time.

Emergency Baby-Naming Session! Baby Boy Are-naw-dee, Brother to Owen Keats

PEOPLE! We have an EMERGENCY here! Look at this letter!

Dear Swistle,

I just heard about your website and really need some advice! I am being induced in 24 hours and still haven’t decided on a name. My first son is Owen Keats and our last name sounds like this: are-naw-dee. We are thinking about these names:

Alec Whitman
Callum Jack

However, my husband is British and there is a chance we could move to the UK at some point. Apparently, Callum is really popular in the UK and I am worried he will be one of several Callums. (It is #13 overall in the UK and #3 and #5 in Ireland and Scotland respectively). Ironically, it is the opposite problem in the US in that whenever I mention this name people give me funny looks! Alec is a much “safer” choice but because it is less unique I have a harder time getting as excited about it. A friend suggested that we name him Alistair Jack and then call him Alec as a nickname but I wasn’t sure if that was a bit of a stretch for a nickname. Also as an American, the name Alistair sounds a little pretentious to me for some reason.

Please help! Thank you—

Kate

And it is more than twelve hours since that landed in my inbox last night, so TODAY IS THE DAY. This baby is coming TODAY. We need name opinions, and we need them fast. Here are mine:

1) I like the name Alec a lot. It’s been on our boy name list throughout our naming years. I know what you mean about finding it difficult to get excited about, but I think the name would sit well with time. I think Owen and Alec are good together.

2) I think Alec is not a nickname for Alistair. But then, I am a conservative old bag about nicknames.

3) It’s too bad that Alistair sounds pretentious in the U.S., because it’s a GREAT name. Think of Allison, and then say Alistair. I think it’s a great name, and I think everyone would get used to it. And if they didn’t get used to it, they’d just say, “Well, the father is British.” I don’t think it’s as good with Owen as your other choices, though. Owen and Alistair.

4) I like the name Callum even better than Alec and Alistair, and I think it’s TERRIFIC with Owen: Owen and Callum. I think it WILL get more familiar in the U.S., and for me it would be a selling point that it was popular in the country you might move to some day. “Thirteenth most popular” sounds scary, but the thirteenth most popular boy name in the U.S. for 2000 was Ryan, and neither my 1999 baby nor my 2001 baby have ever had a single Ryan in any of their preschool/kindergarten/elementary school classes—let alone several. It won’t be strictly comparable, of course, but still: thirteenth is okay.

5) The Baby Name Wizard mentions that Callum can be a nickname for Malcolm. I consider this Cheating, but it gives me the idea of the name Malcolm, which I love. Owen and Malcolm.

6) Jack in the middle name position makes the first name sound like an adjective to me: Fightin’ Jack, Alligator Jack, Jumpin’ Jack.

In short, I think the names you came up with are terrific, and I don’t think you’re going to go wrong whatever you choose. I lean more toward Callum for the first name; I would change the middle name, but I don’t think it would be wrong to leave it the way you’ve got it. BE SURE TO LET US KNOW WHAT YOU CHOOSE!

Okay, everybody! Time is of the essence here, so vote fast in the poll over to the right [poll closed: see below]—but feel free to leave more possibilities in the comment section if you think of a good one.

Poll results:
Alec: 20 votes, roughly 24%
Alistair: 10 votes, roughly 12%
Callum: 43 votes, roughly 51%
Malcolm: 11 votes, roughly 13%

Name update!

Thanks for your blog. We decided on the name Callum Jack and really appreciated everyone’s feedback. It was such a hard decision. Jack is a family name my husband wanted to use so that is the reason for it as the middle name. We have had some funny looks from my American friends and family who aren’t sure how to pronounce it (so far, a few people saying Column). But hopefully they will get used to it. I still like the name Alec and think it goes great with our last name but just before going to the hospital my husband’s assistant weighed in on the decision and she said “you mean, Alex?” and I was worried I would spend a lifetime of having to say “no, it’s Alec with a ‘c'” Anyway, thanks again!

Baby Boy Werkmen, Brother to Dane and Owen

Dear Swistle,

This is our 3rd boy and we’re having a hard time coming up with names that we love and that sound good with our other boys’ names.

We prefer shorter first names, and pick a middle name that is a Saint’s name, since we’re Catholic.

Our last name is something similar to Werkmen. Our current top two are Colby Blaise and Cole Alexander.

While I like Cole Alexander, it’s almost too preppy for me. Our other kids are Dane Patrick and Owen Zachary and they seem a tad more “hip” than a Cole. I also have a “thing” about choosing names in the SS lists top 50, though Owen was very close to the top 50 last year. Cole is around 70 I think, but I get antsy in the top 100. (not that that’s all that important…)

We’re up for suggestions as well.

Devan

 

You like shorter names. Here are some more short-‘n’-sweeties, with their 2006 SSA popularity rankings (the month of May cannot come soon enough for those of us wanting the 2007 figures) and the way they’d sound with the other boys’ names:

Cade Werkmen (#288) (Dane, Owen, Cade)
Gage Werkmen (#156) (Dane, Owen, Gage)
Grant Werkmen (#155) (Dane, Owen, Grant)
Heath Werkmen (#786) (Dane, Owen, Heath)
Leo Werkmen (#236) (Dane, Owen, Leo)
Milo Werkmen (#679) (Dane, Owen, Milo)
Reid Werkmen (#422) (Dane, Owen, Reid)

My sibling-group favorites from that list are Cade, Gage, and Reid, but I give Reid the edge for having a different sound: Cade and Gage have the same long-A sound as Dane, and might be too similar.

Reid doesn’t work with the middle name Alexander if you’re avoiding monogram words: the initials would be RAW. I went to Catholic.org for more saint names (and it is very funny indeed to see ads like “Who’s Got a Crush on YOU??? Click here to find out!!!” on a website like this). The list of saints is way, way, WAY too long to browse through, but if you can search to see if a name is a saint’s name or not. I like Reid Elias Werkmen (REW), Reid Matthias Werkmen (RMW), Reid Sebastian Werkman (RSW), and Reid Xavier Werkmen (RXW).

But Reid is kind of…preppy, right? So I’m going back to the list to re-choose favorites. This time I choose Heath, Leo, and Milo. They’re different enough from your current children’s names; they’re more hip than prep; and I had two of the three on the finalist list for my own baby. The name Heath has extra poignancy because of Heath Ledger’s recent death.

I like Heath Elias Werkmen (HEW), Leo Sebastian Werkmen (LSW), and Milo Xavier Werkmen (MXW).

 

 

 

Name update: “We went with Cade Alexander. :) Thanks!”

Baby Boy John: Nickname Trouble

Kate writes:

Help! I need nickname advice!

I’m adopting a baby this Spring, and if it’s a boy, I’d like to follow a family tradition and name him John after my father, my brother, my grandfather, you get the picture. The problem is that my father (Jack) and my brother (John) both live within a mile or so, and that’s a lot of people running around with the same name (since I’m single, it will be the same first and last names).

So what I’m looking for is a good nickname for John that isn’t Jack. I’m a big fan of traditional names – it’s important that it’s a name that will work for an adult as well as a kid.

If the baby’s a girl, I’m going with Elizabeth, another family name. I’m leaning toward Bess or Lily as a nickname.

Any brilliant suggestions?

Help me, Swistle!

Tough one, Kate! The usual nicknames are Johnny and Jack and that’s ALL, so we’re really going to need to call upon The Powers of the Internet for this one.

Option the First: Go with the initial and call him J.—I had a friend in high school who did this. To the ear, it’s “Jay.”

Option the Second: Call him by first and middle names together: John William, for example. My brother was called by his first and middle names together when he was a child—and not just when he was in trouble, but all the time. At first it feels a little awkward, but then it blends into one name.

Option the Third: First and middle initials: J.W., for example.

Option the Fourth: Call him by his middle name outright. I’m pretty sure my friend Mairzy disapproves of this idea, but I think it’s a good work-around when you are highly motivated to use a particular name but run into problems such as the one you’re encountering. I went to school with several guys who went by their middle names, and other than the annual “roll call correction” (“John Abrams?” “Actually, I go by Will”), it wasn’t a problem.

Option the Fifth: As I understand it from novels about rich people, people with a long-running family name used to turn to nicknames such as Trey and Trip for the youngest of three people with the same name. I think that’s cute and appealing.

Let’s ask Mairzy!

In this corner we have Good Idea: Name son the family name to give him an immediate sense of family identity.

In this corner we have Bad Setup: His grandfather and uncle, who live in the same area, will have exactly the same name.

Possible solution: Come up with a nickname.

The trouble with this solution, of course, is that traditional nickname for John is already in use. (I remember getting very indignant with a first-grade classmate, Johnny, who claimed that he and his father had the same name. I knew very well his dad’s name was Jack. Who was he kidding?) If you do use the name John, he’ll get called Johnny or Little John just to distinguish him from his uncle. If you call him Jack, he’ll be Little Jack or (not at all appealing to me) Jackie. And he might just get called Junior, a nickname that makes me want to curl up and cry.

Possible solution: Use a variant of the name John.

This way, you honor the family name, but avoid the confusion and headaches that come with repeating names. You’re lucky to be working with the name that shows up in practically every European language. You can choose from Jonathan, Sean, Evan, Ian, Giovanni, Ivan, Jaques, Johann, Jonas, Shane, Sion, and Yancey. (List courtesy of behindthename.com, which includes a whole lot more options.) Obviously a few of the names are heavily ethnic, which may not fit with the surname. I just included them because, well, I like names. I’d love to use the name Jaques, for instance. But my surname is in the same category as Johnson. Jaques Johnson! The world laughs. Anway, getting back to the matter at hand.

You could consider naming him Jake and calling it a variant of Jack/John. It’s not traditional, but you could squeeze by with it.

(For Elizabeth, which you mention briefly at the end of your question: I think Bess is cute, and I’m ready to see it come back again. Lily is not a name I think of as being a nickname for Elizabeth, so I probably wouldn’t go that route: if I wanted Lily, I’d go with Lilian/Lillian or just flat-out Lily.)

Help Kate out: What would YOU do if you were using the name John in this situation? Would you name him John and use one of Swistle’s solutions? Or would you name him one of Mairzy’s variations? Vote in the poll to the right [poll closed; see below], and leave your ideas in the comment section.

[Poll results:
John; call him J.: 11 votes, roughly 14%
John; call him first + middle names: 8 votes, roughly 10%
John; call him first + middle initials: 17 votes, roughly 21%
John; call him by his middle name: 13 votes, roughly 16%
Use a variation such as Jonathan or Ian: 20 votes, roughly 25%
Jake, and pretend it’s a variation of John: 3 votes, roughly 4%]

Baby Naming Issue: Surname Incompatibility

Barbara writes:

Hi Swistle- I’m super psyched about your new baby names blog! I’m OBSESSED with baby names (I guess names in general) and have been for as long as I can remember. As a little girl, I was always “changing” my name and always wanted a name with a fun nickname. As an adult, I make baby name lists at least weekly. I love the meaning behind names, the sentimental or family connection associated with names, initials and monograms, and especially nicknames.

Here’s my question: What names do you love but had to give up on because they just didn’t work with your last name (aka unfortunate nicknames, initials or puns)? I know you’re not keen on making your real name public, so you may or may not be able to reveal this info without giving away major clues to your true identity, but maybe your readers can?

I always loved the name Rose or Rosie for a girl, but with the (new) last name of Thornton, I just thought the pun was too mean. Another example, my sister-in-law was almost named Rachel Anne but her initials would have been RAT.

Looking forward to reading more about our favorite subject!

GREAT QUESTION!

Paul and I have an ethnic and difficult surname, so we’ve avoided ethnic or difficult first names. And our surname is so surnamey, we think “surname names” (Miller, Sawyer, Carson) sound bad with it.

When Matt Lauer named his son Thijs (pronounced “Tice”), I instantly loved the name—but we weren’t willing to take on the challenge of a totally unfamiliar (in the U.S.) name that follows the pronunciation rules of another language. We messed around with the spelling (Tyce, for example), but we only liked it with the Dutch spelling. So we gave it up.

The most Limiting Factor for me has been Previous Children. If you have children named Robert and William (to use their pseudonyms as an example), it’s tough to suddenly add a Devereaux or a Thijs. Sibling names don’t have to be matchy-matchy, but I prefer them to sound like they’re in the same family: Robert and William, yes; Robert and Rocco, no. I would bend this for a name I really, really loved—but in general, it strongly affects my naming decisions.

Barbara and I are VERY EAGER to hear about the names you had to give up, and the things that most limit your choices. Initial problems? Surname problems? Sibling problems?