Baby Name to Consider: Hooper

Bea writes:

I have been mulling over the name Hooper for the last little while and wondering if it is a name people would consider.  It has so many things that are trending for it right now.  It is a surname, which is ever popular right now.  It also comes from the big book of medieval professions and matches names like Tanner and Cooper.  It has also got the “er” ending.  It has so many things going for it, but could it really catch on?  I have a feeling that “Hooper Pooper” would taunt the child too much to make anyone consider it.  I can’t decide if I like it or if I would even consider it for one my own boys.  What do you think?

I was very surprised to go to the Social Security Administration data base and not find the name Hooper AT ALL in the 2011 stats. (Names are only in the data base if they’re given to at least 5 girls or at least 5 boys, so this means Hooper was used 0-4 times.) Cooper, for comparison, was given to 5,140 new baby boys and 106 new baby girls in 2011.

In 2010, there were 5 new baby boys named Hooper. In 2009, it’s not in the data base. In 2008, there were 6 new baby boys named Hooper. Why so low?

I could see people being turned away by the Hooper/pooper rhyme—but the name Cooper has the exact same issue and is nevertheless fairly common: #82 in 2011.

Could it be that Hooper has too strong an association with…basketball hoops? Or with Hoosiers? But it seems like those could just as easily be positive as negative, and Cooper has a similar association with chicken coops.

Or is it that it sounds too much like the word whoop? Maybe it’s Cooper’s strong leading consonant sound that makes it more useable.

My primary association with Hooper is Mr. Hooper’s store on Sesame Street. For me, it’s a strong positive association.

Let’s have a poll over to the right to see what everyone else thinks. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Poll results for “What do you think of the name Hooper?” (423 votes total):

I love it! I’d want to use it! – 3 votes (1%)
I like it! I’d want to consider it! – 16 votes (4%)
I like it for someone else’s baby – 82 votes (19%)
No particular opinion – 28 votes (7%)
Slight dislike – 150 votes (35%)
Strong dislike – 144 votes (34%)

Baby Girl Mild-with-a-W, Sister to Lincoln, Grant, and Eli

S. writes:

I came across your blog a couple of months ago and have loved reading your ideas and opinions on baby names. We are due to have our first baby girl the end of October! We currently have 3 boys which we love and adore, but are thrilled to be adding some PINK to our bunch. We are having one crazy time with choosing a name that will be just right.

Our boys’ names are Lincoln Judd, Grant Perry, and Eli Daren. Their first names are names we liked and their middle names are family names. Our last name sounds like mild, but starts with a W. We would like this baby’s name to “go with” her brothers.

Had this baby been another boy we would have likely named him Jude Jacobs, Jonah Jacobs, or Noah Jacobs. But since we’ve found out that this baby is a girl, we have not been able to settle on names that we both love.

We like very gender specific names that are recognizable, but not too commonly used. We’re not too much into the nicknames and generally like the given name to be what they are called, although that’s not a deal breaker. With this baby my husband and I seem to have very different likes! I would love to have an outside neutral opinion to help sort my thoughts of what sounds good and not…here are some of the names one or both of us are considering…

– Gwen – I like it, but not sure if I want to repeat an initial…would it be too different of a sound with Grant and we’d end up calling him Gwant?! Does Gwen sound right with our last name?

– Claire – I like it, but worry that it’s getting too popular

– Kate – I like it as a name by itself…I don’t like the possibility of her being called Katie

– Evie (Ee-vee)…possibly Evelyn as the given name – This is my husband’s favorite. I worry that Evie can’t be a given name and that Evie is too similar sounding to Eli.

– Celeste – I like it but don’t know that it really goes with the boys’ names

– Phoebe – I love this! My husband does not.

– Naomi – I love this! My husband does not. There’s a negative association with this name for him.

– Olivia – I like it but don’t like that there is a famous actor/model with the same name (first and last)

The rest of these names one or both of us like…we’re just not so sure…
– Charlotte
– Adalyn
– Marlee
– Lilah
– Layla
– Lydia

Most likely the middle name, if there were one, would be Lyn or Elizabeth…again family names.

Please share your thoughts and advise. Baby Girl is due in just a few weeks and I feel like we’re ready, except for a name! I’d love to hear what you think…or any other names that you think might “go with” our other children’s names.

Many, many thanks!!!

It looks to me as if your list is nearly wiped out: there’s a good reason not to use every name on the list except Celeste. It can be easy in a situation like this to keep going around in circles.

What I’d do in your shoes is brainstorm a fresh list based on your current list. For example, you like Olivia and Naomi, so you could look for other names with strong O sounds such as Sophia, Fiona, Chloe, Carolina, Rose. Or Naomi might make me think of Miriam, because they’re both biblical and have similar sounds, or it might make me think of Ruth.

The new list might or might not be of names for actual consideration (if Claire is too popular, Chloe and Sophia likely are too; if you worry about avoiding Katie, you might worry about avoiding Rosie too), but more to freshen things up and maybe lead to new ideas and a new list (“Hm, I don’t much like Bronwyn or Wynne with the surname, but those remind me of Bridget and Brenna!”).

Gwen and Evie make me think of Genevieve. It still repeats an initial, but I don’t think you’ll confuse the two names.

Or if you want the nickname Evie, I might go straight to Eve—though Eve and Eli do seem too similar to me, as Evie and Eli do. (Lilah and Layla, too.)

Claire makes me think of Clara, Cora, Carys, Laurel, Meredith, Nora, Rose.

Gwen makes me think of Wren, Wynne, Rowan, Winifred, Bronwyn, Elowen, Brynn, Zoe, Gwyneth.

Kate makes me think of Lane, Jane, June, Faith, Hazel, Jade, Maeve, Paige, Tate, Faye, Grey.

Evie makes me think of Neve, Vivienne, Liana, Eleni.

Phoebe makes me think of Penelope, Chloe, Cleo, Fiona, Sophia, Beatrix, Philippa, Josephine, Daphne.

Naomi makes me think of Noelle, Miriam, Ruth, Nadia, Esther, Leah, Claudia, Delaney, Rose, Fiona, Romilly, Romy, Mina, Mira.

Olivia makes me think Livianna, Fiona, Sophia, Chloe, Felicity, Victoria, Violet, Vivienne, Genevieve, Silvia, Orianna, Evelina.

Or else I’d go with Celeste. I think it’s great with your surname and with the sibling names.

Baby Girl Perry-with-a-T; Some Double-Letter Names

Katie writes:

I came across your blog in my seemingly never-ending search for the perfect name for our baby girl due in November.  This is our first baby and we are so excited, but can’t seem to come up with a name that we both love.  About us: his name is Daxx k (yes, middle name is just the letter, lower case); mine is Katherine Elaine (I go by Katie) – needless to say, his parents were a bit more adventurous than mine!  Our last name rhymes with Perry, and starts with T.  If we have a son in the future his name is likely to be Daxx Turner – Turner is my dad’s middle name, and that is what we will probably call him, to avoid confusion and because we both love the name Turner for a little boy.
We want Baby Girl to have a name that is a little different, not too common, and we don’t want her to share it with a lot of girls her age.  My husband would love it if her name had a double letter in it (like Daxx, Kenn – his dad, and Lleyton – our nephew.)  Names we’ve come up with:
Elizabeth Kate (we would want to call her Eli Kate, but I worry that Eli is too boyish), love Kate as a middle name since my mom and I are both Katherine, I’m not sold on Elizabeth as it is SO popular, but I also love the nickname options and that she would still have a classic name
Paisley Grace – we worry that Paisley is becoming too popular/don’t love the idea of naming our baby after a fabric
Ellodie Claire –  I loved the name Ellodie, but after referring to her as that for a few weeks, it doesn’t feel right, and I hate that every time I tell someone “Ellodie” they say “Like Melody without the M?”
Reagan – like it, but worry about it with our last name, seeming like she has 2 last names/people being confused about which is her first name vs. last name
Riley – he loves this, but I’m not sold
Hadley – I love Hadley, or even Hadlee (to incorporate a double letter), but worry it’s getting popular
Vivienne – I like Vivienne a lot, but I’m just not sure about it
Everly – i love, but every time I say it, he says “Like Beverly?”
Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated :)
Thanks so much!

Let’s start by looking at the current commonness of each name on the list, according to the Social Security Administration:

Elizabeth: #11 in 2011, and has been hovering right around there for decades

Paisley: #195 in 2011, coming up rapidly from its first appearance in the Top 1000 in 2006

Ellodie/Elodie: not in the Top 1000

Reagan: #122 in 2011, rising slowly now after some rapid rising in the 1990s

Riley/Rylee/Rylie/Ryleigh: hard to figure out the popularity because of many spellings; the spelling Riley was #47 in 2011 for girls, and #111 for boys. Because it’s popular for both girls and boys, this increases the possibility of another Riley (girl or boy) in her class.

Hadley/Hadlee/Hadleigh: rising fairly quickly; the most popular spelling is Hadley at #178

Vivienne: #383 in 2011; it’s only been in the Top 1000 for three years

Everly: not in the Top 1000, but likely to get there next year; the #1000 name for girls was used 250 times, and Everly was used 222 times, and Everleigh was used 147 times

I think Eli would be a hard sell as a nickname for Elizabeth: it isn’t a familiar nickname for it, and the letters are the same but the emphasis and sounds are not—“EE-lie” vs. “eh-LIH.” It might work if you used Eliza, nickname Eli—though it would still be an unexpected nickname.

If you like Elizabeth, Ellodie, and Everly, I suggest Ellis. It has a double letter, it works with Kate and with Daxx. (I’d also mention Ellery, but I’m not sure it works with the surname.)

A similar suggestion is Hollis.

Similar in sound to Paisley is Hazel.

Similar to Riley: Kiley and Briley—or you could spell them Kylee and Brylee to get the double letter.

Similar to Reagan: Morgan, Teagan/Teegan.

Similar to Vivienne: Vienna.

More double-letter possibilities:

Annalise
Arabella
Braelynn
Brinlee
Brylee
Calla
Calliope
Camilla
Clarissa
Emlynn
Evelynn
Fallon
Gemma
Greer
Kaelynn
Karenna
Keelin
Keely
Kennedy
Lennox
Linnea
Mckenna
Noelle
Padgett (might be too much T with surname)
Quinn
Reese
Romilly
Savannah
Scarlett (might be too much T with suname)
Sienna
Stella
Willa
Willow
Wynne

Baby Boy _____son

C. writes:

Our baby boy is due next week and we are starting to panic as we don’t have any names we are certain on.  If he had been a girl, we would have had a lot to choose from that we both loved including: Lilliana, Eloise, Charlotte (Lottie), Blythe, and Josephine.

Our surname is a two syllable name that ends in ‘son’, and unfortunately this cuts out a lot of great boys names.  For example, my husband’s second favourite boys name is Harrison.  We would prefer to steer away from any names that end in ‘son’ or ‘vowel-n’

My husband’s favourite boys name is Jack however we know a couple, and our friends just named their baby boy Jackson.  We have been calling the ‘bump’ Jack just for fun from very early on, thinking that we couldn’t really use the name officially, but there is a very slim chance that we may end up feeling that it just has to stick, however we would have to have a difficult conversation with our friends.

My favourite boys name is Tate, however my husband isn’t thrilled with it.  Other names I would consider are Maxwell and Rafferty, but once again, my husband isn’t enamoured with them.  Ezekiel is another consideration, but not sure if it sounds too unique and Biblical (we are Christian though).

There is a Clyde in the family tree and although we don’t particularly love the name, we are looking for something similar that is strong, traditional, but not overly common.  I have been a kindergarten teacher for 14 years and this experience has tended to limit some of the great names we also may have considered.

Would love to hear your advice!

If Harrison is out because of the -son, would the name Harris work? A similar name is Davis.

If you end up feeling you must call him Jack, I wonder if it would work more smoothly with your friends if you named him John with the nicknam Jack?

More like Tate and Jack:

Cade
Clark
Clay
Dane
Finn
Gage
Grant
Luke
Max
Reid

There’s been a bit of a trend for biblical names, and that’s helped bring a number of names into much easier use: instead of sounding like Bible Extreme, a name like Ezekiel just sounds pleasingly and quirkily biblical—more like a name with ancient roots. To tone it down, you could use Ezra—but then you lose the nickname Zeke. Or you could use Isaac with the nicknames Zac or Ike.

Some boy names similar to the girl names on your list (which may in some cases rule out the later use of the girl names): Joseph, Charlie, Elliot, Louis.

Because you have some very different styles on your list, it may help narrow things down to consider future sibling names, if you think you might have more children. A Jack and an Ezekiel don’t coordinate as well as, say, a Jack and a Finn, or a Malachi and an Ezekiel. Consider, too, how the names from your girl list coordinate with your finalists.

Baby Name to Consider: Even

Jenna writes:

A few weeks ago, our family went to check-out day of a summer camp. The kids were all signing autograph books. One teenager, Evan, asked my daughter to sign his book. My husband happened to peek over her shoulder and asked, “Ah, does everyone know that your name isn’t spelled that way?” The boy looked at his book and shrugged. “Probably not, but it’s a cool name anyway!”

What the other campers had been writing: Even.

So I offer it up to you, Swistle. Is this a name possibility waiting to be sprung on the world?

1. It’s like Evan (obviously) and Steven/Stephen and Ruben. But it’s also like Eden and Eve and Eva. Is it a boy’s name or a girl’s name? Would comments like, “Get Even!” sound extra funny on the playground? Maybe it’s a good androgynous name that goes well as a middle name (like True or Blue)?

Thanks, as always, for the insight!

This name SHOULD work. It’s a nice sound and, as you say, similar to Steven and Eva and Eden. And it’s similar in meaning-style to the name Ever, which is catching on.

The reason I think it doesn’t work and is unlikely to catch on is that it looks too much like a misspelling/respelling of the name Evan. I think it would be not impossible but challenging to get people to pronounce it a different way. And the word “even” doesn’t have quite the dreamy/significant sound of a word like “ever” or “Eden.”

What does everyone else think? Let’s have a poll over to the right. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Poll results for “What do you think of the name Even?” (428 votes total):

I love it! I’d want to use it! – 4 votes (1%)
I like it! I’d want to consider it! – 12 votes (3%)
I like it for someone else’s baby – 63 votes (15%)
No particular opinion – 26 votes (6%)
Slight dislike – 137 votes (32%)
Strong dislike – 186 votes (43%)

Baby Naming Issue: How Soon is Too Soon to Use an Honor Name?

K. writes:

Our first daughter, Julia, was a name I had always loved when I was younger and I liked that my husband’s grandfather’s name was Julius, as well. She was the first great-grandchild on his side so it’s kind of special.

My original dilemma was that we wanted to use her middle name as a name for our second child, but I know you recommend against this.  We had been tossing around other names, but none of them felt quite right for us.
Then, last week, my Aunt Charlotte passed away suddenly.  She was my mom’s only sister and Charlotte was also their mother’s name.  I had briefly considered this name beforehand, but wasn’t sure if it was too formal for us or if it had become too trendy recently. Now I feel very strongly about incorporating Charlotte into the name if we have a girl. It’s almost as if it were meant to be.  Also, this might sound strange, but my Aunt Charlotte’s birthday was the day after my grandmother’s.  It just so happens that my c-section is scheduled for the day after my birthday as well. (Coincidence or a sign?) That being said, the date is quickly approaching and we still haven’t finalized anything.  I know that my mom would be honored if we used Charlotte as a middle name, but is it too soon to use it as a first name?  When I indirectly asked my mom about it, she said that it was a very strong name and that her mother and sister were the only two Charlottes she’d ever known… She assumed I might use it as a middle name and suggested Reese Charlotte.
My question is, what are some other first names that would go well with Charlotte and would also sound nice with big sister Julia?
Or should we just take a chance and try to use Charlotte as the first name?  I’m guessing it would sound best with something short, but need some ideas.
Just for reference, our boy name would be Cole Matthew-  My father and grandfather are Nicholas and my husband is Matthew.  Also, our last name is Winkler.
Some of the other names we discussed in the past, but don’t necessarily go with Charlotte are:
Stella
Delaney
Madeline (My husband only liked as a middle name, but he doesn’t like that Maddy sounds too close to his name.)
Grace (Although this is a beautiful name, it has a negative association with someone in his family so I’d rather not use it if we could find something better.)
Thanks so much for your help, Swistle.

 

I don’t think it is ever too soon to use an honor name. …Well, as soon as I write something like that, I start thinking of examples where it might be. But in general, I think it is very touching to use the name of someone who died during your pregnancy, and I don’t get any “too soon” feelings at all. The opposite, in fact—like it’s MORE wonderful to use the name sooner.

It sounds from your letter as if your mom might be reacting not to the soonness/appropriateness but to her perception of the name as unusual. It’s common for the grandparent generation to feel that that current parent generation is choosing names that are kind of weird or old-fashioned: my own mom confessed to having mixed feelings about the name Henry, since it seems old-mannish to her (though she said she was sure she’d love it on an actual grandchild). For them, it’s probably close to the way we feel about names like Carol and Judy.

But if your mom’s impression of the name comes from only knowing two Charlottes (both older ladies), that’s likely to change soon: the name was the 27th most popular name for baby girls in 2011, according to the Social Security Administration, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it in the Top 10. The current perception is of vintage sweetness as well as strength.

And it sounds as if the timing is wonderful for this baby: not only does it give you a new name for your list, it’s a name with the same sort of family meaning as your first child’s name. And it’s lovely and perfect with the name Julia: Julia and Charlotte! Wonderful.

You’re right: I do generally advise against using one child’s middle name as another child’s first name. (More discussion on this topic in this post.) I also think the name Reese is a bit of a style mismatch with a sister named Julia. Julia is classic, ancient; Reese is unisex, modern, surnamey. But if you wouldn’t mind continuing the theme for any future girls, Charlotte could have the same middle name as Julia: Charlotte Reese is very nice.

If you’d rather use Charlotte as the middle name, we could look for a first name that SOUNDS a little like Reese. Elise, for example. Elise Charlotte; Julia and Elise.

Or Rose. It has some of the feeling of the name Grace, but less common and without the negative family association. Rose Charlotte is so pretty, and Julia and Rose are so nice together.

Aubrey and Audrey are both nice with Charlotte and with Julia: Aubrey Charlotte, Audrey Charlotte. Aubrey has the additional upside of having the nickname Bree, which may remind you of the way you feel about the name Reese—while still giving her a longer form that goes well in style with the name Julia.

Delaney and Reese make me think of Sadie. Sadie Charlotte; Julia and Sadie.

Stella Charlotte is nice, or Ella Charlotte lightens it a bit.

Oh, or Anna Charlotte! So pretty! Julia and Anna.

Or Lydia Charlotte, Julia and Lydia.

Or Noelle Charlotte, Julia and Noelle.

Charlotte is visually long, but is only two syllables. I think you could go long on a first name: a name like Delaney Charlotte has only one more syllable than the name Julia Reese. Or Annalise Charlotte has the “ees” sound of Reese.

If you would like to go more with the style of Reese, I suggest the name Lane. Lane Charlotte; Julia and Lane.

Baby Naming Issue: Are Elijah and Elliot Too Similar For Cousins?

R. writes:

My husband and I are having our second baby boy and Elliot is one of our top names.  The problem is that our nephew’s name is Elijah and he goes by Eli.  We do not plan to use Eli as a nickname for our child but, we are concerned that our family will think they are too similar because of their spelling.  Any input would be appreciated :)

 

My opinion is that they’re not too similar. The spelling does trick the eye a bit, but the vowel sounds are completely different: ee-lye vs. eh-lee. And the emphasis is on different syllables, which further separates the sounds: ee-LYE-jah vs. ELL-lee-ot.

The styles of the names are so different, too. Elijah: ancient, prophety, biblical, with an ending used mostly for girl names in the United States. Elliot: light, surnamey, intellectual. I can’t think of a situation in which I’d ever recommend both names to the same family—but because they’re too DIFFERENT, not because they’re too similar.

And especially for cousins, I think a slight similarity is completely fine: an Eleanor and an Elizabeth, an Addison and an Adelaide, an Emerson and an Emmett.

Let’s have a poll over to the right to see what everyone else thinks. [Poll closed; see results below.]

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Name update! R. writes:

Thank you Swistle and readers for weighing in on our name dilemma. Though we considered a few other names as well, Elliot remained our favorite. Because of the overwhelming majority of people who responded to the poll saying Elliot and Elijah were NOT too close for cousins and the wonderful comments we felt confident in our choice. Elliot Miles was born last week – mom, dad, and big brother are so in love :)

Baby Girl or Boy Nawcan, Sibling to Josi@h and Audrey

Jocelyn writes:

I recently found your wonderful blog and need your help! We always keep our baby names a secret until baby arrives so it would be great to get some unbiased opinions.

We are expecting baby #3  (probably our last) at the end of September (27th).  We don’t know the gender but are pretty happy with the name Katherine Olivia if it is a girl.  (We’d call her Kate.)  I’ve always liked the name Kate and it works out that my husband’s mom and her mom are both named Catherine so it would be kind of an homage to them.  The boy name has been harder for us to settle on though.  Our last name is Cajun with a funny spelling and pronounced like Naw-can.  Our oldest son is Josi@h Kenneth.  We liked the name Josi@h and also the biblical story behind it and his middle name is after my husband who is a Jr.  Our daughter is Audrey J@cquelyn.  I’ve loved the name Audrey forever and her middle name is my mom’s name.

We’ve always had issues coming up with boy names.  Part of it is that we’ve tried to avoid having a name that ends with N since our last name starts and ends with N but it seems a lot of the boy names I like end with an N.  Also, both of our first kids had a middle name in honor of family but there really aren’t any male names in our family that we like.  So, if we have a boy would he and the rest of the family wonder why he doesn’t have a family connection?

The top name we have picked out right now for a boy is William Hudson.  Here are some of my issues with it.

My first two kids’ names don’t really “go together” but would this be another type of name that doesn’t go with the others?  Is there some name out there that would bridge the two sibling names?  I also worry that William is too common or maybe too serious.

We like Hudson and also have read about a missionary to China from the 1800’s named Hudson Taylor that we’d be happy to have him named after.  So, maybe there is a very loose biblical theme there to go with Josi@h? (of course people would only know if we told them)

Some other names that I like but have issues like ending in N etc. are:

Jude – don’t know if having two of the three names being very biblical and also starting with J would be weird.  Also my name starts with a J.
Sawyer
Jack (the problem with this one is our cat is named Jack)
Aiden
Colin
Benjamin (My husband is Ken so Ben and Ken would rhyme)
As you can see I’m all over the place.  Do you have any suggestions?  I’d love all of your insights.

Thanks so much!

 

Families vary considerably in how noticey they are about baby names. I have five children, three of whom have family middle names and two of whom don’t, and I would bet cash money that not a single one of my relatives (other than my parents, who had to hear all about the choices) even knows what the kids’ middle names ARE, let alone has given any concerned thought to whether one child’s name matches the significance of another child’s. Yet we also do hear stories of families who tally up the family names and get wounded and huffy if more are used from one side than the other, so you’ll have to look at your own families and consider whether they would be more the type to talk at length behind your back about your children’s middle names, or whether they’d be more the type to hear the name and give it almost no thought at all beyond whether they liked it or not.

Children will also vary considerably in how sensitive they are to their names. In my own family, I’ve found all four boy children almost completely bored by talk of how they got their names or what the significance is. The girl child enjoys discussing it, but has not been at all peeved so far that her middle name isn’t a family name. Perhaps all this will change as they get older and there will be giant fights about how obviously mom and dad preferred the three who have family names—but I don’t think it’s likely. Yet we also hear stories of grown adults claiming to still have hurt feelings from their parents’ name choices, so it may completely depend on the child and his/her personality.

I think much of it is spin: if there’s no reason for the child without a family name to feel unwanted or otherwise out of favor or not a part of the family, not having a family middle name doesn’t mean anything except that you ran out of family names you wanted to us. If he expresses interest, or if you’re telling them the story of their names, his story is that by the time he was born there were no family names left you loved enough to give him, so you chose Name X, which you loved because of this/that reason.

Of my two children who don’t have family middle names, one of them has a name that is nevertheless of sentimental significance; when I force them to listen to their naming stories, I feel like that story holds up very well next to the “Well, your middle name was my grandpa’s name” story. The final child’s middle name has no real significance other than that it was her daddy’s favorite name before we came up with a name we both liked better; he couldn’t stand not to use his favorite, so we used it as her middle name. That story gets a favorable reaction too, as it turns out; the important thing, I think, is to show enthusiasm for the choice, and have an approximately equal amount of it for each child’s name. “Well, YOUR name was because X! And YOUR name was because Y!,” as opposed to “Well, YOUR name was because X and Y and Z! And YOUR name….eh, we just liked it, I guess.”

Another possibility for a middle name is to look at family surnames: this lets you look at the women in the family as well as the men, and surnames can make very dashing middle names.

I think the name you’ve picked out is great. William avoids the N-ending, and both boys have a good nickname if they want it, and Joe and Will go great together which I think helps form the bridge you’re looking for. And Hudson is a name that can be worked into a very nice story of significance.

The rest of the names on the list don’t seem as good with the sibling names, or else have the N-ending, or else I agree with the other reasons you mention for not using them.

Because it’s fairly common for a family to have a different style preference for girl names than for boy names, I think you could continue with biblical boy names without worrying about leaving Audrey out. But I would avoid the J names, to avoid confusion and also to avoid a second theme Audrey wouldn’t fit into.

Paul Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Paul
Ezra Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Ezra
Micah Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Micah
David Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and David
Thomas Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Thomas
Samuel Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Samuel
Isaac Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Isaac
Caleb Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Caleb
Daniel Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Daniel
Philip Nawcan; Josi@h, Audrey, and Philip

My favorites, I think, are the names we barely even think of as biblical anymore: those are the ones that make good bridge names, because they seem timeless like Audrey, while still being biblical like Josi@h. I also favor the ones that, like Josi@h, have a good nickname: Joe and Sam, Joe and Dan, etc.

 

Name update! Jocelyn writes:

Well, as I suspected we ended up having a boy!  Thanks to the great advice and encouragement from you and your readers we decided to go ahead and name him William Hudson.  You all helped me not feel bad about the name not having a family connection like his siblings and feel like the sibling names weren’t too terribly mismatched.  I do wish it weren’t so high on the popularity list but at least it is a classic name and not trendy so it won’t feel out of date in a few years.  I did love the suggestions of using a biblical name that didn’t sound too biblical as a bridge between Josiah and Audrey but many of the names were already used in the family so they were out.  Thank you to everyone for your encouragement and input!  We still weren’t 100 percent sure we would name him that when he was born but he was a very punctual little boy by showing up on his due date so I figured a name like William would fit him well.  He was born on Sept. 27th at 8 lbs 14 oz.  He was 20 3/4 inches long.  Here’s a picture of him when he was almost 4 months old.
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Baby Naming Issue: Are the Initals PMS a Dealbreaker?

G. writes:

My husband, Austin and I were advised to visit your website for some advice and we hope you can help us out!
In 2009 we had our first and very beautiful little girl, Clara Evelyn. Since having Clara we have discussed the names of her siblings and we ecstatic to find, that we were expecting our 2nd little girl, due in December. 
Clara’s name wasn’t decided until a week before my due date, so our family didn’t know until birth. This time around we were so prepared and had the name on the day of the gender reveal. We had decided on the name Phoebe Matilda. We just love the sound of Clara & Phoebe and couldn’t wait to tell everyone. 
We decided to tell them all at a family BBQ this week. We had found this cute way of revealing it, when my sister bursts out in laughter. She quickly stopped, when she saw our serious faces and eventually told us how weird it was, that our daughter had the initial PMS, Phoebe Matilda Sharpe.
Now, my husband and I have talked about this quite a bit and aren’t sure what to think. How big of a deal is this? Should we really avoid naming our daughter Phoebe Matilda? We aren’t really sure and the entire family seemed to think of this as a big deal.
An alternative could be to do Matilda Phoebe Sharpe, but since this isn’t our favorite option we wanted some outside opinions on how big of a problem this seems to be.
Would you ever name your daughter or son with something that gave them some odd initials?

There is a nice wide spectrum of opinion on this subject. On one end are people who even prefer for initials to spell things, and then it goes into the area of “Who cares? No one will ever notice or care,” and then into “Well, I’d rather not, but I wouldn’t sacrifice a name I loved just because of that,” and then to the far end of definitely being willing to sacrifice a name to avoid initials.

To most of us, it depends on the initials: something like JAB or ANT is not in the same league as something like ASS or FUK. I consider the initials PMS to be toward the less acceptable end—in the BRA and PIG and B.O. neighborhood, perhaps. I would not want those initials myself, and would rather sacrifice part of the name than use them.

To me, it seems like the middle name is the clear area for sacrifice: the first name is presumably your favorite name of all options, and the surname is set, and you haven’t mentioned any pressing reason to use that middle name (for example, a family naming tradition or important honor name). So if I were you, I’d keep your happy combination of Clara and Phoebe, and I would find another wonderful middle name. Phoebe Estelle? Phoebe Cordelia? Phoebe Lydia? Phoebe Eliza? Phoebe Celeste? The quest would not be for a name you liked better than Matilda, but rather for the name you liked best of all the remaining names.

Let’s have a poll over to the right, to flesh out the rest of the opinion spectrum. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Poll results for “The initials PMS” (604 votes total):

I wouldn’t mind – 96 votes (16%)
I’d change the name – 466 votes (77%)
I can’t decide – 42 votes (7%)

Name update! G. writes:

We got wonderful advice from both you and your posters. We quickly decided that letting go of this name was necessary despite of our love for it. Big sister Clara was still going to have baby sister, Phoebe but we went on a hunt for a new middle name.
Not many names were as loved as Matilda but we dug up our old list of names and found Juliette. Phoebe Juliette Sharpe sounded alright but being so focused on initials, my husband kept saying PJs. Moving on!
Vivienne, an old family name from my French side of the family, came to mind. Phoebe Vivienne Sharpe! That sounded so cute in my ears with that French touch but everyone around us pronounced it like Vivian, which wasn’t really to our liking. Moving on!
Well, someone mentioned that giving Phoebe the middle name initial E would be a cute little thing to share with big sister, Clara Evelyn. Bingo! Phoebe Eleanor Sharpe. And there it was and just 4 days later, our baby girl, Phoebe Eleanor joined us.
We want to thank you all for helping us out, and we now know what to name a potenial third daughter, so Matilda is saved for later.
Thank you,

Baby Name to Consider: Nicaya

N. writes:

I have read your blog for quite some time now. I am not expecting, nor will be for a few years at least! However, I have a question for you. I am one of those that watches Dance Moms. Earlier this week a girl appeared on the show with, what I thought to be, an interesting name. Her name is Nicaya (pronounced Nick-Kai-Uh). I kind of love it. It combines two names I really like – Nicole and Kaia, without seeming too out there and also giving cute nickname options. What do you think of it? Does it sound too made up? I’m curious about what you and your readers think!

I think it’s a pretty smart combination. I looked in the Social Security Administrations data base to see what other spellings I could find:

Nakiyah 59
Nakiya 42
Nakia 41
Nakiah 20
Nakyah 15
Nikiya 15
Nikiyah 12
Nakya 11
Nikia 11
Nakeya 8
Nakaya 7
Nikiah 7
Nikya 6
Nikaiyah 5
Nikyah 5

Some of those might be more like nicky-ah or nick-KEE-ah.

There were also several spellings of Nikayla, which seems similar.

Let’s have a poll over to the right [poll closed; see results below]; it’ll be a little tricky, because the particular spelling might greatly influence how we’d vote—so just pretend the poll mentions whatever spelling you like best.  And in the comments section we can discuss what those favorite spellings are. It’s a little tricky to find a spelling that makes the pronunciation clear.

Poll results for “What do you think of the name Nicaya?” (503 votes total):

I love it! I’d want to use it! – 4 votes (1%)
I like it! I’d want to consider it! – 13 votes (3%)
I like it for someone else’s baby – 85 votes (17%)
No particular opinion – 32 votes (6%)
Slight dislike – 184 votes (37%)
Strong dislike – 184 votes (37%)