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Naming Issue: Changing a Surname

Hi ,

So I hate my last name. My last name is Landon with an extra letter. Lately I’ve been debating on whether I should change it when I turn 18 next year.

Reasons why I don’t like it –
– It gets confused super regularly. I get London , Lamden , Lanton and I’ve even gotten Lambert a couple of times. This is not helped by the fact that my name Maddison is often confused for Madeline , Madelyn or Maggie/Mattie when people call me Maddie.
– It is the last name of my only living grandparent who I have a very complicated relationship with.
– I don’t think it sounds great with my first name.

I wouldn’t change my first name or my middle name because I like them and they have significant value to me due to the fact my mother and her mother chose them together before I was born (her mother is no longer alive and I sadly never met her).

There is two reasons why I would not change it. The first is my mother is not a fan of the idea. My dad (whose last name it is) doesn’t seem bothered but I’d have to chat with him about it again before I made a decision. The second is that I am an only child and my dad only has one other sibling who her and her children have different names. That means the last name would die with my dad if I didn’t use it. So even though I don’t like it there is that weird pressure. Is that crazy?

With a new last I would prefer something easier to wear and can’t be confused for anything else. My ideas so far are Brooks , Baxter (which is the maiden name of the grandmother I never met) or Sorenson (which breaks all my rules but a similar style would be nice).

So what do you think should I change it when I turn 18 next year , wait a few years then change it , wait until I get married or not change it at all?

Thank you for your time.

Maddison

 

Last names are so often problematic: hard to spell, hard to pronounce, unfamiliar, easily mistaken for each other. Pretty much everyone is accustomed to spelling their surname every time they give it, and none of the options you’re considering seem immune from that. I am reminded of a family friend with a difficult surname who, as she was dialing a pizza place, told us that she was going to give her surname as Smith to avoid all the usual spelling/pronunciation complications. At this point the pizza place answered the phone, and all we heard was our friend’s side of the conversation: “Yes, I’d like to order a large pepperoni pizza for carry-out. Uh huh. Smith.” Then a pause and a huge heavy sigh, followed by a clenched-teeth “S…M…I…T…H.”

I think if I were you I would wait a bit. It sounds as if you’re not sure yet what kind of change you’d like to make, so deliberately choosing a holding pattern for now might reduce the stress: knowing that you CAN change it and probably WILL change it, but that there’s no reason to rush it and make a change before you feel pretty comfortable with what you want.

While waiting, I recommend the combination of enunciation + automatic spelling. Really work your lips wide around the letters: it feels foolish at first, but I swear I’ve reduced by 95% the number of times I get called Christine instead of Kristen, just by saying my name with slightly overdone lip movements. You: “My name is Maddison LAANNDDONN, that’s L-A-N, D-O-N.” If you notice one particular error being made more often than others, you can clarify that section with additional clues: “That’s L, A, N-as-in-November, D-as-in-dog, O, N.” It’s possible the whole thing would bug you less if we could reduce the error rate—or if that doesn’t help at all, that’s good information to have, too.

Around here we often suggest “the Starbucks test”: this is a test in which a parent considering a baby name goes to Starbucks (or anywhere they ask your name) and gives the potential baby name as their own. It’s a good way to check for issues and reactions: maybe “Pebbles” seems like an adorable name when you’re picturing a sweet baby girl, but it suddenly seems like a terrible idea when you have to say it to the barista. When Paul and I were engaged and considering choosing a new surname for both of us, we tried out various options at restaurants with waiting lists: we’d have to say it to the hostess, and also hear it called out when it was our turn. This test is probably obsolete now that most restaurants give out vibrating pagers. But you could try out the various names on friends: tell them the name as if you were introducing yourself (“Hi, I’m Maddison Brooks”), and see if they hear it properly and can spell it properly. Try it over the phone, particularly.

Turning 18 is a nice natural transition point if you were certain about the name you wanted, but on the other hand it comes with a flavor of parental disapproval, as if you had to wait for legal adulthood to have the right to go against your parents’ wishes (even if that is not at all what is going on).

Speaking of family, a name change has the potential to make the complicated grandparent relationship more complicated. You and your family would know best on this, and I’d suggest consulting your dad on that when you’re having a chat about how he feels about the surname. Check with your mom, too.

If you are pretty certain you’d want to take your spouse’s surname, then marriage is a nice time to make the change—and easier too, because it can be done as part of the marriage and you don’t have to go separately through the name-changing process. Plus, it’s an easy change to explain. But perhaps you would not want to take your spouse’s name, either for philosophical reasons or because the new spouse’s surname didn’t appeal or was just as problematic as your own. Or perhaps you’re not sure at this point, or you don’t want to have to wait that long. I don’t think you should feel you OUGHT to wait for marriage to make the change, when there are so many unpredictable variables involved.

If you become sure you want to change it, it would be ideal to change it before getting any professional degree certificates. On the other hand, it happens all the time that a person gets a degree and then changes their surname at a later time, so again I’d prioritize “being sure of what you want about the surname” over convenience/timing issues.

On the topic of the family name possibly dying out, are you considering keeping the name and also giving it to your children? Or are you thinking you wouldn’t use it for your children, but that it would be better to let it die one generation later, with you instead of with your dad? If you don’t think you’d want to give it to your children, then I don’t think it matters if it ends with your dad or with you. If you would want to give it to your children, then there are a lot of future unknown variables and I am not sure what to advise; I think I’d advise the same holding pattern but with a longer-term feel to it. Or I might want to know if there are other family names in your family tree that are on the verge of extinction and could be saved instead. I definitely don’t think you should feel obligated to personally continue the surname.

Baby Girl or Boy Ke@ting, Sibling to Aurelia (Goldie): Coordinate with Sister’s Name or Sister’s Nickname?

Hello Swistle!

I am very excited to be able to write to you with my baby name conundrum! We are expecting our second baby in early March — the sex will be a surprise. We have one daughter, her name is Aurelia Mae but we exclusively call her Goldie, and she is a Goldie through and through. Our surname is Ke@ting.

I’d love for the siblings’ names to match but not TOO much, if that makes sense. For instance, I really like names like Ruby, Pearl, and Opal but gemstone names might be a little too much with Goldie. I also love the idea of saint names, but have a hard time finding actual saint names that I like — it turns out that there was a Saint Aurelia, but that was accidental and I only figured it out after Goldie was named. The other issue with matching siblings names is, which name do we try to match the style of, the given name or the nickname? I feel like Aurelia and Goldie are pretty different in style.

I would love suggestions for names of both sexes, but boy names are particularly difficult for me. If Goldie had been a boy, her name would have been Jasper, and that is still definitely a front-runner for a boy for me. However, I would like some other candidates since I keep hearing about dogs named Jasper and it’s starting to sound like a dog name to me.

I would love you and your readers’ input!

Thanks!

 

The nickname/name coordination issue is an interesting one. In GENERAL, I like to coordinate the given names and let the nicknames land where they may. When nicknames are rhyming, clashing, or cutesy, it doesn’t matter nearly as much to me as it does when it’s the given names. I might still personally prefer to avoid a rhyming/clashing/cutesy nickname pairing, and I’d hope to think of any issues ahead of time rather than run into them later by surprise, but it’s a much milder preference.

Did you intend all along to call Aurelia by the nickname Goldie, or did it just happen? If you always intended to call her Goldie, or if it just happened but you feel that’s more your real style, then I would aim for similar names for future siblings: either Aurelia/Goldie combinations for all, or coordinating all the names with the name Goldie. If you intended to call her Aurelia and the nickname just happened, but you still feel Aurelia is more your style, then I’d start with names more like Aurelia and see if a Goldie-type nickname works/happens.

All right, let’s find some possibilities to consider. I think you are absolutely on track with options such as Ruby and Pearl and Opal: those have the same pleasingly antique sound as Goldie, plus the sass. More:

Ada
Bessie
Bonnie
Daisy
Dolly
Elsie
Faye
Flora
Hazel
Lois
Lottie
Louise
Mabel
Maeve
Maisie/Maisy
Marilla
Millie/Milly
Minnie/Minny
Olive
Polly
Rosie
Roxie
Sadie (repeats ending of Goldie)
Sallie/Sally
Stella
Tillie/Tilly
Trudy (repeats ending of Goldie)

I feel particularly fond of the name Sally. I would so love to meet a little Sally. And with your surname: Sally Ke@ting! I feel a little faint with love.

I am less certain about names to coordinate with Aurelia. I looked it up in The Baby Name Wizard to see where the author puts it, and she says it’s “a romantic relic of ancient Rome” and that it had “a Victorian-era revival.” Ohhhhhhh, and she notes it comes from a Latin word for golden! Ah ha! I see what you did there! So let’s add another naming path possibility for you, which I am not going to try to follow but maybe you would want to: finding another longer name with a Latin-word-base-related nickname!

Back to the Baby Name Wizard. The author suggests sister names such as Lavinia, Aurora, Adelaide, Eleanora, Emmeline, Theodora, Beatrix, and Viola; and brother names such as Lucius, Sebastian, Rupert, Hugh, Edison, Augustus, Conrad, and Elias. I am all-in on Lavinia: it’s another name from ancient Rome, and it’s great with your surname and with the name Aurelia. You could go with a nickname such as Liv or Livvy or Vinnie. Lavinia Ke@ting; Aurelia and Lavinia; Goldie and Livvy.

For boy names, I’m less sure of your style. The names I think of when I think of Jasper are names such as:

Adrian
Alistair
Arthur
Charles
Edmund
Elliot
Everett
Frederick
George
Julian
Louis
Malcolm
Miles
Nolan
Oliver
Russell
Simon
Wesley

Or you wouldn’t want to go for something like Alfred or Albert, would you? I have a soft spot for those names and I’m hoping they’ll come back soon.

When I hear that people have given “dog name”/”stripper name” feedback on other people’s name choices, I wonder what on earth the feedbackers were thinking. I reluctantly agree that there are certain names I might privately feel that way about (Fido, for example, would ring a “dog name” bell in my mind whether I wanted it to or not, even though I’m not sure anyone IS naming dogs Fido anymore), but in general I think what happens is that people tend to give their pets names that they like, and so a certain percentage of those pets end up with names that are currently in style for people. Sometimes the trend in pet names is a little ahead of the trend in people names, because a name that is just about to come back into style has a certain sound that feels pleasingly whimsical/unusual/amusing/formal/silly: I named two cats George and Oliver because I thought I’d never want to use those names for actual children; a decade later I had an entirely different feeling on the topic, and wished I’d gone for names I’d ACTUALLY never want to use for actual children, such as Mittens.

Anyway. There are dogs named Jasper and Max and Jake and Sophie and Charlie and Bella and Sam, and there are people who enjoy telling people about their pets’ names (look at me with my George/Oliver story), but those two things don’t make the name Jasper any less usable for a human baby. I can picture meeting a baby named George and saying, without it first going fully through the brain-to-mouth filter, “Oh! I had a cat named George!”—but without AT ALL thinking George was “a cat name” or that it was weird on a person. Just blurting out the connection with recognition and delight, and without considering that perhaps a better reaction would be “Oh! I love that name!,” and maybe save the cat-name story for another time. Or I can picture anyone, when asked to consider a name candidate, doing so by going through a list of associations that included movie/TV characters, book characters, examples of the name being used in their social circle, and ALSO mentioning that they’ve heard it on two dogs and a cat; I personally would leave out the dog/cat detail, but I can picture someone including it in the research data. I think people who instead raise one nostril and say, “[Name]? That’s a DOG name,” about a name that is known to be used for humans, should no longer have the privilege of hearing other people’s baby name candidates.

…Oh. Wait. On re-reading, I see it’s not so much that people have been doing this to you, but more that you’ve been encountering dogs named Jasper. Well. Ahem. My rant is perhaps misapplied in this exact case, but if people WERE telling you it was a dog name, THEN I WOULD HAVE YOUR BACK.

Jasper is a semi-precious stone, but I’m not sure that is common knowledge. I do know it, and would probably not think anything of siblings named Goldie and Jasper; or I might think, “Ah, what a pleasing and subtle tie-in!” I think it’s great with your surname, and a very good choice.

 

 

 

Name update:

Hello Swistle!

I have a name update for you! Thanks so much to you and your readers for your suggestions, they were so much fun to read and provided a lot of great ideas. Our little girl was born on March 6th in a very exciting, barely-made-it-to-the-hospital fashion. We named her Clementine Mary Ke@ting — photo is attached!

Thanks again,
Katie

Baby Girl McNeely, Sister to Abel

Hi Swistle,

We are so excited to be expecting a baby girl this coming January, but I thought that naming a girl would come much easier than it has been! I would love your help and insight on our list, and maybe some new, fresh suggestions we haven’t thought of yet.

Our surname is McNeely, and our son’s name is Abel Willis McNeely (the middle name, Willis, is my maiden name that we wanted to honor.) We want this baby’s middle name to be Kathryn, which is a bit more traditional than I am usually drawn to but is the name of my late mother-in-law who passed recently.)

I tend to like shorter, less traditional names. Some of the names that I’ve been drawn to have been a bit quirky, but my husband tends to veto them. He likes more popular names like Olivia, but I’m not necessarily wanting to name her something that is on the “Top 10” list at the moment. Some names on the vetoed list:

Luna
Lola
Sunday
Harlow
Maeve

Names that we are still considering:

Evie
Reese
Sloane
Darby
Sadie
Faye
Liv

We also really like more traditionally “boy” names for a girl. My husband likes Charlie, but I feel like that might be too popular. I like Drew or Perry.

Something else to consider: Abel is such a traditional biblical name that we would be open to naming her something biblical as well, but it certainly isn’t a must.

I feel like we have a good list, but I’m just not sure the right name is on there yet! We would love your help!

Thanks so much,
Erin McNeely

 

So much depends on whether or not you think you might have more children after this one. If you are only naming one girl, any of the names on your list work well with Abel: each gives a different spin to the sibling set, but nothing clashes. (I did notice that Faye McNeely makes the word “fame” when I say it aloud.) I’d recommend my usual techniques for narrowing down a list: having each parent rank the names in order and getting rid of any that are toward the bottom of both lists; trying out each name for a day; going to the mall and picturing each name on an assortment of strangers of various ages; waiting to see if any name rises naturally to the top with time; playing little games where you fool yourself into thinking a name has been chosen/eliminated and seeing what your reaction is; and so on.

If, however, you’re planning more children, I think the first step is to consider how much sibling-name coordination matters to you. Some people don’t care about that at all and can happily have two daughters named Isabella and Blake; some people care about it to the point of matching initials and letters and syllables as well as style; and most of us fall somewhere in between.

If you are planning to have more children AND you like sibling names to coordinate, then I’d like to see if we can get a firmer grip on your preferred style. Reese, Sloane, and Darby are in one style category: they’d make good sister names for each other. Sadie and Faye are in a different style category: they’d make good sister names for each other, but wouldn’t work as well with the names in the first group. Evie and Liv feel to me like a third group, though they’d work well with names in the second group; when I tried to come up with names in their style category below, there was so much overlap with the Sadie/Faye group that I gave up and made it one list. The main difference is that Evie and Liv feel more current/popular right now than Sadie/Faye, because of all the Evelyns and Olivias and Avas.

If you picture your little future flock of ducklings, what names feel most like the names of Your Family? Imagine the kids around the dinner table, or listening to a book, or fighting like mad cats. Do they seem like an Abel, a Reese, and a Darby? Or do they seem more like an Abel, a Sadie, and a Faye? Or do they seem more like an Abel, an Evie, and a Liv? Which group feels like your real actual kids?

I’m looking through the Biblical section of The Baby Name Wizard, and I see a lot of names that go well with Abel (Esther, Miriam, Ruth, Claudia, Lydia), but not very many that seem to fit your style. Let’s see if we can find more options for the other categories.

To go with Reese/Sloane/Darby:

Beckett
Britt
Callister
Crosby
Ellery
Ellis
Emory
Holland
Hollis
Keaton
Lane
Perrin
Quinn
Rowan
Shea
Sterling
Waverly (repeats ending of surname)
Winslow

 

To go with Sadie/Faye/Evie/Liv:

Annie
Bessie
Cora
Daisy
Edie
Flora
Ginny
Hattie
Hazel (repeats ending of Abel)
Ida
Josie
June
Pearl
Polly (repeats ending of surname)
Tess
Willa

Baby Boy Zong@s, Brother to William and Benjamin

Hi Swistle,

I am expecting my third baby in early April, another boy! This will be our last child. I always joked that I couldn’t have another boy because I couldn’t possibly come up with another boy name, but here I am! My first 2 are: William Elliot and Benjamin Oliver. Our last name is pronounced Zong@s with a silent T on the front. With a difficult to pronounce and spell last name it’s important that first names are relatively straightforward. As you can see we also prefer more timeless names that shorten easily, though William is still always William, Benjamin is often Ben or Benj.

This baby’s middle name will be Patrick. Although we didn’t use honour names with our first 2, I was with my uncle Patrick when he passed away, and hours later I found out I was pregnant again with this baby.

Our front runners are:

Sebastian – our favourite, but not a fan of the nickname options. William, Benjamin & Sebastian sounds great, but Will, Ben and Seb?!? Or Will, Ben and Bash/Bastian?!? I just don’t think those work…

Nathan or Nathaniel – both full name and nickname are good, just not sure it’s the one

Lucas – I love this name, but feel like this doesn’t work well with our last name

Other names we’ve considered:

Theodore – too formal, although a great nickname

Maxwell – don’t love the full name (and other Max starts are too formal), love the nickname

Marcus

Elijah

Names we won’t use: Alexander, Samuel, Nicholas, Thomas, Christian, Michael.

If this baby was a girl, her name would have been Cecilia.

Should we just go with Sebastian and not worry about the nickname issue? I’d love your input on the names we’re considering and anything else we should re-consider with a fresh set of eyes!

 

Sebastian seems about as formal as Theodore to me; that is, I think either of them would be fine in the sibling group but that both are a little dressier than William/Benjamin. Although the nicknames Seb/Sebby don’t come as naturally to me as Will/Ben do, I think this is because I grew up with a couple of boys named Ben and I know a bunch of children named Will and Ben now, but I haven’t yet known a Sebastian. If I practice it a little, it doesn’t take me long to be able to picture saying, “Hey, Seb—time to brush your teeth” or “Hey, Seb, we leave in five minutes, okay?”

Nathan/Nathaniel/Nate seems great to me.

I agree with you that Lucas Zong@s does not quite work. It hits my ear with a comical bouncing near-rhyme. Marcus is similar.

I suggest Jonathan. Jonathan Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Jonathan; Will, Ben, and Jon.

Or Daniel. Similar to Nathaniel. Daniel Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Daniel. Will, Ben, and Dan.

Or Jacob. Jacob Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Jacob; Will, Ben, and Jake.

Or Calvin. Calvin Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Calvin; Will, Ben, and Cal.

Or Charles. Charles Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Charles; Will, Ben, and Charlie.

Or Gabriel. Gabriel Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Gabriel; Will, Ben, and Gabe.

I’d like to suggest Wesley, but I’m not sure about it: possibly the nickname shares too many sounds with the other two nicknames. Wesley Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Wesley; Will, Ben, and Wes.

If you decide to give up on the preference for a nickname, I suggest Henry. Henry Patrick Zong@s; William, Benjamin, and Henry. I think Henry’s Y-ending gives it a sound that’s compatible with nicknames, so that even if William eventually goes by Will, I still like the sound of Will, Ben, and Henry. Or you could use Hank or Harry as a nickname.

Baby Girl H@ll, Sister to H@rper

Hi Swistle!

My second daughter is due at the end of October. Her sister’s name is H@rper Je@n H@ll. My daughter and I both share my husband’s last name. H@rper’s middle name is from my maternal grandmother and my aunt (mother’s sister who passed away several years ago). This will most likely be our last child.

We have been settled on the name Arden for this baby for a little while now and both still love it. However, I am getting concerned that it is too close in sound to my nephew’s name, Ryden, who lives very close to us. My husband thinks I’m crazy and that it’s not too close and/or doesn’t matter. I’m probably just getting naming jitters as my due date approaches, but it has started to bother me some. So, I guess I’m looking for validation that these names aren’t too close and won’t bug me forever, though I’m sure nobody else can tell me that part for certainty. Some other names we both like are Paige, Audrey, Juliette, and Rosalie, with Paige and Audrey being the other 2 top names. The problem with Paige, though, is that I really prefer a multi-syllable first name with our last name. Some names I like that we can’t use or my husband has vetoed are Imogen, Elodie, Cameron, and Leighton.

Now to the problem of the middle name. My husband would like to give this baby girl the middle name Mary after his grandmother who passed away a couple years ago. I love the idea of giving this baby his grandmother’s name as a middle except that I really am not fond of the name Mary. To me, it is an intensely religious name and I have a hard time separating it from Mary, the mother of God, the Virgin Mary. I grew up catholic (though would not consider myself so any longer) and have a hard time not associating the name with anything else. My husband was not raised with any sort of religion and does not carry the same association. I think I really have issue with the idea and image of the Virgin Mary and what it implies about purity and ideals for girls/women today. I’ve been working on getting past this association, but I still can’t fully commit. I also like that both girls would have a great grandmother’s name as a middle. Some other middle name possibilities are Jane (my paternal grandmother’s middle name), Frances (maternal grandfather’s middle name (Francis) who passed away when my mom was a young girl), Paige, and Maeve (Paige and Maeve both just names we like). My husband really wants Mary as the middle but is willing to ultimately let me decide. Also, any names related to Mary, like Mae, just don’t seem like true honor names. Will this association just not be a big deal once she’s here and it is part of her name? I guess I’m hoping that by typing this all out and getting other’s opinions, I will get some kind of clarity.

Thanks for your help,

Rachel

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi! Thank you for posting my question and concerns regarding the middle name Mary for my daughter and to all those that responded. We named our daughter Arden Mary and I think her name is just beautiful! I am totally over any hang-ups I had with the name association and am so glad we chose to honor my husband’s grandmother. Her name fits her perfectly!
-Rachel

Baby Girl Stussman-without-the-T, Sister to Anna

Dear Swistle,

Longtime reader, first-time caller. I’m due in exactly one month with a baby girl who is still nameless. Her older sister is Anna. Anna got my favorite name, my forever-favorite name, the one I doodled as a pre-teen, the perfect name, the name that when I find it or derivatives (Anneliese, Annabel) on lists I still get an involuntary “ooooh I like THAT one” feeling before remembering “Yes, that’s why you used it already.” Anna’s last name (which is also my husband’s name and will be this baby’s last name) is Stussman without the T.

Anna: is my great-grandmother’s name, is familiar, is spell-able, has a lovely meaning, has personal significance relating to that meaning, derives from Hebrew (we’re Jewish, but with a fair amount of W. European background, too) but is not full-on Hebrew/biblical, does not sound silly with a Jewish last name, is classic, is (subjectively) pretty, lends itself to nicknames, lends itself to a natural Hebrew name, rhymes with Banana…etc. I will not find another name I like as much or that ticks as many of my preferred boxes, and I am working on accepting this.

Anna’s middle name is a location that starts with “Beth-“, because I had a normal middle name and always wanted a weird one. It has literary significance to my husband and me, and delightfully lets us call her Annabeth, which we do, and Betty, which I did not expect to use as a nickname (at ALL) but frequently do.

So now we’ve got number two on the way, and again we are considering Cora, Delia, and Elizabeth (runners-up with Anna).

Elizabeth feels like it ticks the most of all my many preference boxes (classic, subjectively pretty, derived from Hebrew, familiar, spell-able, nicknames), but I am having a tough time committing to a name with “-beth” given Anna’s middle name (which we use). It feels like we used it already (and in my head, when we used Beth- for Anna’s middle name, I was committing to giving up Elizabeth for a hypothetical future daughter). Alas, I have none of the feelings for Eliza that I do for Elizabeth.

Delia has been my favorite, I think, but my husband has it in his second tier. I really like Cora, but just not quite as much. That said, I think it’s our presumptive front-runner.

Other contenders:
Maya–popularity curve is a little trendy for my taste
Zoe–same
Alice–concerned it runs into Stussman; too many sibilant sounds? Also has the word “lice” in it.
Margaret/Marguerite–we both love this (so many good nicknames!) and the meaning (“pearl”) is a family surname on my side, but he loves Margaret and I love Marguerite and we may be at an impasse. We’ve tabled it for now. I also don’t feel like it’s as “pretty” as Anna or Elizabeth.
Emma–sonically confusing with an Anna; literally the number one name last year in the US.
Talia–TOO Hebrew? He really likes this one.
Elizabeth Delia, nn Edie–my husband has a ton of Ediths in his family tree so this would sort of be an honor name. Otherwise, my preferred nicknames for Elizabeth are in the “Lizzie” family.

Names I love and/or would seriously consider that he has vetoed or just doesn’t like as much:
Lydia
Madeline
Valeria
Catherine/Katherine
Winifred (Winnie!)
Shirley (I have told everyone I know that this one is going to come back, but no one believes me)
Laurel

Middle name for this baby will likely be Mayberry (family surname to honor a specific deceased loved one), or perhaps Poppy (nickname for my husband’s beloved grandfather, now deceased) but oh, the other wonderful odd-duck middle names I have on my list:
Valley
Lenity (virtue name with personal significance)
Amarintha (family name, and I love Marin, pronounced NOT like the county)
Marigold
Roses (this occurred to me late one night and I LOVE it)
Aurise (family name)
Roisin
Galilea
Auden (literary significance)

Names I love but are too close to us (friends/family have or use these names):
Lucia
Abigail
Josephine

My husband is very reactive on this front and not super-articulate, but does have preferences that have led us to the shortlist of Cora, Delia, Elizabeth, Maya, Zoe, Alice, Margaret/Marguerite, and Talia.

Had this been a boy, she likely would’ve been Isaiah King or, possibly, Gideon Leander. Other boy names I love and might pull for in a future hypothetical pregnancy include Bennett, Elias, John, and Malachi. The people we’d like to honor had names like Ovid, Paul, and King. (Luckily, we have very few female relatives who have passed away that we’d want to honor.)

So…what should we name the baby? Am I missing something wonderful I can present on a silver platter (i.e. text message) to my husband?

Sarah

 

Oh, I too wished for a more unusual middle name! Mine is one of the few that basically everyone my age has: it’s no fun to tell it, on the rare occasion I am asked about it.

I agree with you about Elizabeth: I think it’s GREAT with Anna, and meets so many of your preferences—but I feel as if Anna now has dibs on Beth/Betty. If you were absolutely set on Elizabeth and wanted with all your heart to use it, I would say I thought it would be fine, and I DO think it would be fine, but I think it would be better to choose something else.

Alice S(t)ussman has too many S-sounds for my ears, too. And I find it difficult to say.

From your lists, my favorites with the name Anna are:

Catherine
Cora
Laurel
Lydia
Margaret

I would add:

Audrey
Bonnie
Claire
Clara
Claudia
Eva
Fiona
Flora
Gemma
Georgia
Greta
Hope
Iris
Ivy
Jane
Jillian
Joy
June
Leah
May
Meredith
Molly
Nora
Pearl
Rachel
Ruby

I am especially drawn to the simpler names, the ones that the eye skips past in the baby name book but then end up being fresh surprises. Jane, for example. Jane Mayberry Stussman; Anna and Jane. I think that’s my favorite. Familiar, spell-able, has a lovely meaning, a feminine form of John which derives from Hebrew but is not full-on Hebrew/biblical, does not sound silly with a Jewish last name, is classic, is (subjectively) pretty, lends itself to nicknames. If you were to give up on this whole thing and tell me I could name the baby, I would choose Jane.

Pearl seems like a good option for solving the Margaret/Marguerite issue. Pearl Mayberry Stussman; Anna and Pearl.

Or would you like Margo? Margo Mayberry Stussman; Anna and Margo.

 

 

 

Name update:

Thank you for your help! Baby Stussman is here and her arrival helped us pick her name. Both my husband and I found that our favorites didn’t suit her: names like Delia and Elizabeth and Katherine seemed a little too…stately? Ladylike? Un-warm? for our new rosy-and-round-cheeked baby, and my husband said that he wanted something more unique and “sparky” for her—a name that no one else he knew had. In the end, we were down to Cora and Marguerite (nn Maggie, Meg, Daisy, etc.), as apparently “warm” to me meant “has an R.” We didn’t settle on her name until 30 minutes before discharge, sigh.

Pleased to introduce Cora Mayberry Stussman. Over the past 6+ weeks, we have called her Cora, Corey, Co, Coey, Corazon, Cora May, and the most often by far, Coco. Her sister still calls her Sugar Water (sometimes Sugar), and boy howdy does it suit her. This baby is very, very sweet.