Baby Names to Consider: Classic/Traditional Names with Atypical/Non-Traditional Nicknames

Hi Swistle!

I’m an avid reader of yours, but not actually pregnant yet so I understand this question may be low priority. I send this with the hope that it will catch your interest, as I can’t find a similar discussion online, plus you and your readers are my favorite.

I have been trying to brainstorm a certain type of girls name. I’m drawn to them whenever I hear them, but they are hard to find because sometimes they are generated by a creative mind.

Basically they are medium-long, typically classic/traditional (at the very least recognizable), names that naturally (ish) shorten to a nickname that does not sound like a typical/traditional name. Obviously the categorization of typical/traditional is subjective in this case.

Examples:

Prudence –> Prue
Clementine –> Clem
Annalise –> Dise (prounounced Dees)
____ –> Len
____–> Tru

More often than not I love the nickname, and either don’t know a full form or don’t love it. Prudence/Clementine are a little more obscure than I’m looking for in the root name. I’m desperate for more names that fall into this category so I can find the perfect mix where I like both forms. Also welcome to suggestions for long form of Len and Tru.

Emily

 

I am not sure I yet have my finger on what we’re looking for, but I am interested to try, and I have high hopes for the comments section. Is this at all the sort of thing you mean?

Alexandria – Lex, Xan, Andy, Dearie
Adelaide – Lady, Del
Anastasia – Taze
Bernadette – Bernie/Bennie
Camilla – Mills
Charlotte – Chaz
Charlotte – Chip
Clementine – Minty
Eleanor/Eleanora – Len
Elizabeth – Bet
Elizabeth – Bo
Evangeline – Van
Felicity – Flip
Gertrude – Tru
Helena – Len
Josephine – Fee
Katherine – Kit
Lenore/Lenora – Len
Madeleine – Del, Len
Meredith – Red
Penelope – Pip
Philippa – Pip
Rebecca – Bex
Roberta – Birdie
Savannah – Van
Susanna – Zan
Temperance – Perry, Ren
Valentina – Len

One way to get a nickname that is unconventional and yet easy to explain is to use initials. Let’s say your child’s surname started with a U; then you could name her Temperance Roberta U. and call her Tru. Or if her surname will not start with U., you could name her Temperance Roberta Ursula Smith, or do some fancy footwork with Temperance Ruth.

It’s too much to hope for, but it’s even possible the surname will lend itself to something many people try to avoid, which is having a first name the merges with the surname. Let’s say the surname were Rupert, and you named your daughter Juliet: many parents would avoid this combination because of the way the -t of Juliet blends with the Ru- of Rupert, but it would be a plus for anyone looking for the nickname Tru. Again, I realize this is a very unlikely scenario. But perhaps something to consider when looking for co-parents of future children. “Pardon me, cute stuff, but before I give you my number would you mind telling me your surname? And do you have a pen and paper so I can play with some combinations?”

Another way is to brazen it out. We have seen many, many parents on this blog who would like to use a nickname but can’t find or don’t like any long forms, and while you COULD for example name her Verity and then call her Tru as a clever joke, at a certain point I think there’d be less of an issue just saying, “This is Elizabeth Smith; we call her Tru.” Follow-up questions could be answered with “It was a baby nickname that just stuck” or “It just kind of happened!” or “Oh, it’s a long and boring story!”

Another option is to use the nickname you want as a middle name, and then use the middle name as one of her nicknames. Elizabeth Tru Smith, called Tru. Margaret Len Smith, called Len. “It’s her middle name” is a nice, simple explanation.

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle, I was encouraged by your reply to my comment to send in an update on an old, formerly hypothetical, opposite sex baby name update!

Last year we had a beautiful baby boy who we named August Oak, and we call him Gus 99% of the time. We love his name for it’s double barrelled nature-ness, it’s soft nickname, and the Oak is in honour of his great-grandma who didn’t quite get to meet him. I love the name August so much, and am sad that we don’t use it more! If he had been a girl, he would have been Ruby Joan (NN to be used abundantly: Rue). Thank you to you and all the readers for your helpful comments that did indeed pave the way for us to zero in on a girl’s name many years later!

Emily

82 thoughts on “Baby Names to Consider: Classic/Traditional Names with Atypical/Non-Traditional Nicknames

  1. Kate

    Oh, I love these. I know a Helena who goes by Leni (pronounced Laney), and a Ryllis. I’ve always assumed Ryllis is short for Amaryllis, but I’m not sure.

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  2. Tori

    I’m Victoria, nn Tori and, while I realize that Tori is not so uncommon now, growing up in the south no one had heard of it, even when they knew my name was VicTORIa (which is how my sassy 11 year old self would pronounce my name to the slower individuals I encountered). The story behind my nickname is that my mother is Vickie (just Vickie) and she thought Victoria was just too long for a small baby. I always enjoyed having a not-so-common name in a sea of Jennifers and Heathers (class of 1997), so I love your question and the thought behind it. My first thought is that any of the -lyn, -lynn, -lynne, -lin, -line names could give you a nickname of Len (Carolyn, Katelyn, Rosalyn, etc.) but since I don’t think that is really what you going for I just wanted to mention it. Trudy could be called Tru, of course, Trudy is just a diminutive of Gertrude that Swistle already suggested. I can’t really think of another ‘Tru,’ but thought I’d share a couple unusual nicknames for girls I’ve come across.
    Tabitha nn Bea/Beata (my daughter when we lived in an area with a large Spanish-speaking population)Adalyn nn Al (my niece, nn given by my brother-in-law’s dad & my sister hates it)
    Kimberly nn Berly
    Gabrielle nn Bri (not such an unusual nn, but not the expected Gabby)
    Jordan nn Dan/Dani
    Mary Ann nn Mickie
    Nicole/Nicolette nn Cole
    Stacy/Anastasia nn Ace
    Hillary nn Larry
    Reagan nn Gunner

    Hope this helps :)

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    1. Kim

      So, I’m a Kim who went by Berley for a while (there was a Kimber at my school, and I still think that’s a great nn,) and as a stocky, sturdy girl- the burly connection did not last long. Kimber, however – that is the nickname that got away.

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      1. hystcklght3

        As an not-very-girlie Ashley, I’ve always been a little sad I never found a way to make Asher stick :) I did do “Allie” for a while, which came from a joke my friends in middle school started with “A-ley” ..which was then spelled “Allie” for simplicity. That DID stick through college, and some folks still call me that 10 years out!

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  3. Elby

    Love this category of names and agree that it is difficult to search for.

    Margaret — Mars (love this)
    Any of the “bel/belle” names — Bell
    Ellen — Len
    Olivia — Ollie

    Tru is a tough one. I agree with Swistle that some combination of initials would be the easiest route:
    Theresa Ruth
    Tabitha Ruby
    Talia Ruth
    Tessa Rumi

    There’s always Trudy or straight up True, but not quite what you’re looking for, I’m sure.

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  4. Ariana

    Cleo for Clementine
    Lola or Rory for Caroline (or just Caro)
    Elsie (LC) for anything with the initials L.C.

    I think this is one where you have to get truly creative and do something no one has done before (that you know of). Literally just make it up.

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  5. Carol

    There’s always Aurora or Lorelai called Rory.

    I’ve known two Elizabeths who were Biz.

    Maybe Caroline called Caro.

    Gabrielle called Brie
    Gwendolyn called Wendy or Wen or I guess even Dolly

    Not quite the same, but I know an Emily called Milly and one called Lily.

    These are hard!

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    1. Squirrel Bait

      The other day I ran across an Elizabeth who introduced herself as Eli. In all of the lists of Elizabeth’s million nicknames, I had never heard that one before.

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  6. Jillio

    Elena=Len
    Vera (pronounced Veer-ah or Var-ah [like Sarah]) means truth. So Tru could be a potential nickname.
    I also like the combination of a first name starting with T with the middle name Ruth to get Tru as suggested above. I.e., Teresa Ruth

    Elise=Eli
    Emilia=Emi
    Margaret=Pearl
    Aurelia=Ari

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  7. Meredith M.

    I went through my list of “names I like” and came up with kicky nicknames for as many as possible. This is what I got (some I’ve heard elsewhere):

    Phoebe: Fifi, Bebe
    Octavia: Tav, Tavi
    Drusilla: Dru, Tru
    Ivy: Vee
    Miriam: Mim, Mimi
    Henrietta: Honey (that’s a stretch, but I adore Honey as a nickname)
    Bianca: Bicky, Bicca
    Ophelia: Fee, Fifi
    April: Ril, Rilla
    Meadow, Maureen: Mo
    Penelope: Poppy
    Anais: Naia (ai pronounced as a long i)
    Berenice: Nikay, (pronounced NEE-kay, after the Greek pronunciation of the last two syllables)
    Nadine: Dena
    Sigrid, Sydney: Sid
    Monica: Nic
    Judith: Jude (read this one recently in a book from the 50s)
    Beatrice: Bix
    Caroline: Caro
    Delphine: Feen, Elfie
    Margaret: Mags

    There, that runs the gamut from inexplicable Victorian to field-hockey fervor.

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  8. TheFirstA

    Well, for Tru I think of Gertrude & Trudy. You could perhaps also do something like Verity called Tru (Verity means truth). I might also look at rhyming names. Ruth-Rue, rhymes with Tru.

    Len is a little easier I think. Lenore/Lenora, Eleanor, Ellen/Helen/Helena, Madeline.

    You might like the Baby Name Wizard website. Their “baby name finder” tool will let you search for names that contain specific letter sequences. You could use it to type in various combinations that will sound like the nickname you want, and then you’ll get a list of names that contains those sequences.

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  9. Dregina

    If we had a daughter we were going to name her Valencia, nn Lenci! Len works well too :)

    I also like Paulina, nn Pau (like Pow!)

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  10. Lindsay A

    I knew a girl named Nika (Nee-kuh), short for a Veronica.

    I named my youngest Annika (Ann-ick-uh), planning to call her Nika too. (Unfortunately right after she was born a family member said that was a dumb name since her name isn’t pronounced with the same sounds, so it never stuck. :( )

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  11. Britni

    Amelia-> Mimi, Mia
    Beatrice -> Tris
    Ellen -> Len, El, Ellie
    Georgia -> GIgi
    Genevieve – > Genny, Vivi
    Gretchen -> Ren/Wren
    Louise -> LuLu
    Magdalena -> Len, Lena
    Virginia -> Gini
    Harriett -> Hattie
    Penelope -> Nell/Nellie
    Lenora -> Len, Nora
    Truman/Truitt -> Tru

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  12. Brooke

    This is a great category! I know an Elizabeth called Biff and I’ve played with the idea of using Neva as a short form of Guinevere. It could work for Genevieve too, which is also shortened to Vieve (pronounced Veev) by a family member. Ro or Roz works for the Rose names. Vieve’s sister is Eleanora called Nell.

    I love the name Bennie for a girl but dislike longer options…

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  13. Erin Beth

    As mentioned, Madeleine could become “Len” or I know one who goes by “Lane.”

    Catherine/Kathryn/Katherine has lots of possibilities: Ryn, Rina, Wren, Trina, Thera, Theri, Kassie/Cassie.

    Depending on the last and middle names, Margaret A, could yield Mac or Mat or Mal.

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  14. Anna B

    Just two examples of “brazening it out” to say that it can work. I know a very professional woman (think lawyer) whose name is very similar to Buffy and her given name has absolutely no relation to that. And she uses the nickname professionally too!
    And I knew a girl growing up whose first name was NOT Isabella but she goes by Bella as that is what her family called her (beautiful in Italian).

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  15. Mary

    I am currently reading Wonder by R.J. Palacio (only 3/4 through but would recommend). The main character’s sister name is Olivia nn Via which I found to be unexpected and lovely!

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  16. Lo

    I have a student who goes by Miki for Michaela. I love the Miki spelling (she uses a variant spelling of the original name that includes a k).

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  17. Kelsey d

    Oh so interesting! I’m glad you posted! Swistle, you came up with some great ones!

    I’ll add:

    Juliet – Jhett or Jet or Jules, you could even go as far as Etta

    Theodora – Thea. Love. But could potentially also get Tru if you stretched it!

    Otelia or Ottilie or Ottilia – Thea. Tia. Of course more obvious Teely or Tilly.

    Veronica. – Rooney. Love this. (Like Rooney Mara the actress). So spunky. But could also get Vera. Love. Nico. Love. Actually you can pull a ton of nn off of Veronica. I love this Veronica is a classic name yet it in itself is uncommon PLUS so many cool nicknames!!

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  18. Simone G

    My coworker has a daughter Charlotte who goes by Chet because that’s how she pronounced her name as a baby. It’s surprisingly cute! Coworker’s younger daughter is Fiona nn Fin, intentionally chosen to go with the Charlotte/Chet theme.

    I also know a Arthur Charles Jr. who is called Archie and once babysat for a Zachary Edward called Zed. Not sure if that’s what you are talking about but those names made impressions on me.

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  19. Maeve

    I love this! I think I know what you mean…

    Alice — Ace
    Juliet — Jet, Juliette — Jett
    Wilhelmina — Min or Minnie
    Tallulah — Lou
    Astoria — Story
    Francesca — Chess
    Margaret — Gray
    Ottilie — Till
    Alexandra — Xan
    Magnolia — Noel

    Also, my neighbors have 2 kids: Eloise and Barlow (boy), who go by Lollie and Bo, which is kind of similar!

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  20. Emily

    Wow! I am the Emily behind the original question and I am so overwhelmed with these awesome responses! Swistle and commenters alike have all been right in the ball park. I do continue to find myself loving the nicknames and feeling so-so about the full name ( flip! Ren! Van! Mills!) but this has unearthed combos with two winners as well.

    I love Margaret–> Mars, Caroline–> Caro, and the T_______ Ruth concept for Tru.

    I am so happy others have enjoyed this topic, I am excited to employ some creativity and come up with more.

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  21. MrsDragon

    I once met an Amanda nn Anda, which floored me as I’d never heard that combination before and I loved it so much more than Mandy.

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  22. Megz

    Apologies for any duplicates, and some are more common than others

    Angela / Angelina / Evangeline = Jilly or Jelly depending on pronunciation
    Catherine / Catriona / Kathleen / Kaitlyn = Cat / Kat
    Victoria = Ria
    Vitruvia (don’t know if this is even a name) = Tru
    Marigold = Goldie
    Letitia = Lettie
    Charlotte = Lottie
    Bridget = Bridie
    Constance = Connie or Stan or Tansy
    Sarah-Marie = Sammie
    Veronica = Ron, Nic

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  23. mjorstren

    My favorite nn for Veronica is Vern…super cute and spunky. Plus maybe a better/more contemporary way to get to Vern than LaVerne.

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  24. caro

    Truly as the full name, nn Tru? I love that it sounds like a modern version of Julie.

    A similar surname name I love is my mother’s maiden name, Tooley. After I heard that the actress Rooney Mara’s first name is from her mother’s surname I’ve been obsessed with Irish surname names. No good nn for it that I know of yet, unfortunately

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  25. Manday

    We call our Felicity “Fliss” and also considered Liss/Lissy

    Morgana/Morgan nn Moe
    Katherine nn Rinn
    Bernedette nn Birdy

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  26. Stephanie

    Margaret – Rett
    Theresa – Reese, Terra
    Amelia – Mills, Mela
    Ruby – Roo
    Charlotte – Lottie
    Anna – Nan
    Rebecca – Beck, Reba

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  27. JMV

    Josephine –> Posy
    Beatrice –> Betty, Bix
    Katherine –> Kit
    Florence –> Ren
    Honora –> Annie, Nora
    Vera –> Tru
    Katarina –> Eka
    Isabella –> Ella, Izzy
    Francesca –> Chess
    Matilda –> Tilly
    Suzannah –> Sunny
    Cecilia –> Sissy
    Amelia –> Mia
    Henrietta –> Hettie, Hennie, Hedda
    Margaret –> Minni
    Elizabeth –> Bessie
    Dorothy –> Dot
    Irene –> Ren
    Jemima –> Birdie (a stretch)

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  28. Jd

    I know two Maureens, one called Mo the other Reenie. I also love some of the long lost nick names: Molly for Mary, Daisy for Margaret.
    Any interest in the same type of list for Boys?
    Robert- Bo
    Christopher- Kit, Topher
    John- Jack
    Remington- Remy
    I’m not as good as the other commenters

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  29. Gail

    Surprised no one has suggested Trudell. It is a surname name, but is recognizable, and readily nicknames to Tru or Dell, both very neat.

    My favorite way to get to Len is Ellen. Beautiful, underused, classic. My next favorite way to get to Len would be Helen. Maybe I like these equally……

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  30. Caroline

    Here are a few personal examples:

    I know an Elizabeth called “Bit” or “Bits”…stemming from her not being able to pronounce Elizabeth as a baby. Similar to the Charlotte/Chet scenario listed above. She would pronounce her name “Dibits”, which then transformed into “Bit” or “Bits”.

    There are Elizabeths that I know who also go by Biz or Eli (ee-lie, not ell-ee).

    I also now a Gwenyth who goes by “Winnie” which I think is adorable and different from the typical “Gwen”

    I know a Josephine who goes by “Fini” pronounced like fee-nee (could also be spelled Phini)

    I know a Bridget who goes by “Bridy” (Bride-ee) not to be confused with Birdy (Bird-ee)

    Last, I know a Francesca who is called “Chessie”

    I guess I know a few “different” nicknames that aren’t too “out there” =]

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  31. vanessa

    i’d add Fliss from Felicity-so cute–and Flip from Philippa. zan or Zanna or Zanny from Alexandra. From Lauren, Laurel, Lorelei etc, Lulu. From Beatrice, Bethany, etc, Boo. I know a Tallesin, goes by Tallie. Thalia–Tallie.

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  32. Lashley

    I know of a couple of little ones with names in this category –
    Ramona -> Mo
    Florence -> Ren

    My own middle name is Ruth, so I’m intrigued by the idea of a T first name with Ruth to get to Tru. Tessa Ruth?

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  33. Ira Sass

    I know an Adelaide who goes by Dee (you could also get Del, or Lady). I also know an Alexandria who goes by Dri (pronounced dree) and a Lorraine who goes by Rain or Lola.

    Other ideas:
    Maureen, Ramona, Monique, Monica, Morgan – Mo
    Rowena, Rose etc – Ro
    Antonia – Tone, Tones
    Julia, Juliet – Jules
    Marissa, Larissa – Riss
    Camilla, Cameron – Cam
    Linnea – Len
    Florence – Flo
    Sophia – Phi, Phia, Fifi

    I don’t really get how Bo comes from Elizabeth, but I like Biz. I know Elizabeth’s who go by Bitsy, Liz, Beth, Liza, Lizza, Libby, Lily, and Zab.

    Oh, I also know a Madeleine who sometimes goes by MEL, because it’s her initials.

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  34. Kim C

    Araminta nn Minty
    October nn Toby
    Josephine nn Joey
    Alexandra nn Andie
    Rebecca nn Bex
    Christina nn Cricket
    Elizabeth nn Birdie
    Lydia nn Liddy

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    1. British American

      Definitely Araminta > Minty. I love that one and it popped to mind when I saw Minty in Swistle’s list.

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  35. Alex

    This is fun! We’re very, very strongly considering Helen for our baby girl due in May, and we’ll definitely call her Len/Lennie if that’s the name we choose.

    We also considered Catherine Amelia (Cam) or Catherine Cecilia (Cece) and Rosalind Elise (Reese). For a future baby, I like Josephine Alice (Jack). A family name on my husband’s side is Bliss–we’ve considered Elizabeth with Bliss as a nickname.

    I wish I could come up with a name or name combo that would result in Dean for a little girl. I think that would be so funny and charming. Gardenia? Hmm.

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    1. JMV

      Geraldine –> Dean.
      Nadine –> Dean

      Any first name that has a Dee sound followed by Ann.
      Deidre Ann –> Dean
      Melody Ann –> Dean
      Heidi Ann –> Dean
      Cassidy Ann –> Dean
      Jody, Edie, Indy, Cady, De’Andrea, Cindy, Wendy, etc.

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  36. April

    I know a Margaret whose family calls her Grits. Unexpected, but kinda fun.

    We have a Norah Elizabeth who we call Nori. I also recently met a Lenore who goes by Nori.

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  37. Sam

    I know a girl named Sydney Alice and she goes by Sal. I also know twins named Aaron and Aidan who go by Aro (pronounced like arrow) and Dan (personally I think those are amazing nicknames) because the boys didn’t like having names so similar to each other.
    Honestly, a name is what you make of it and nicknames can derive from so many things.

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  38. Hollanda

    What about the names for nn. Tru

    – female –
    Trudence
    Trudgard
    Trudhild – Trudhilde
    Altrud – Altruda
    Bertrud – Betruda
    Edeltrud – Edeltruda
    Elftrud – Elftruda
    Engeltrud – Engeltruda
    Ermintrud
    Hiltrud
    Miltrud
    Waltrud
    Petrushka : Russian female form of Peter

    – male –
    Trudbert
    Trudmar
    Trudwin
    Truman
    Petrushko : Russian vorm of Peter

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  39. Ashley in MD

    Not sure if this is what you had in mind, but today at the grocery store the college-aged girl who checked me out was named Chip. I asked her if it was short for anything and she said her full name is Charlotte. So there you go! Charlotte=Chip

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  40. hystcklght3

    Anyone have a good name that could lead to Remy for a boy? Don’t like the gun association with Remington (though I LOVE this name…ugh!) and not crazy about Remus with our last name (though the Harry Potter association is quite pleasing).

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  41. brims

    I once met a little girl at a kid birthday party named “Margot” whose parents called her Gogo. I thought that was pretty adorable.

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  42. edeslee

    I like Esperanza with nickname Spero/Sparrow. I especially like that Esperanza means “hope” and Spero means “I hope”!

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  43. Lauren

    My name is Lauren – I get a whole bunch of different nicknames: Loz, Lozzie, Laur, Lo, Lola… The list goes on! Haha

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