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Baby Girl ______ Sights Flemming-with-a-D, Sister to Gavin

Katy writes:

My name is Katy (short for Katharine, but I’ve always been “Katy”) & I am nearly 38 weeks pregnant. My husband Brian and I expect to welcome a baby girl to our family pretty much any day now!

Before I go any further, I should note that our last name starts with a D and rhymes with “Flemming.” When we got married, I moved my family name (a german name that sounds like “Sights”) to the “middle” position, my husband legally changed his middle name to my family name and our son has my family name as his middle name also. So this baby girl will have my family name as her middle name. I love that we all share both of our family names. I do find it harder to chose names because I love the idea of finding first & middle names that just “go together!” but the middle/last combo was decided years ago when we got married and changed names!

We have a three year old named Gavin and we love his name. It took a LONG time to settle on his name and because I feel very superstitious about “definitely” picking a name before a baby is born (and about telling anyone the name choices), we actually went into the hospital with three names in mind (Kevin, Sean & Gavin … the last of which was only added to the mix about a month before he was due to be born) but in the midst of a 37+ hour labor we both admitted that each of us had begun to think of him as Gavin in our minds so we settled on that moments before he was born! [True confession, I also loved that everyone we told his name to in those first few weeks told us how much they LOVED the name Gavin and it was very nice to get such enthusiastic affirmation of the name we’d chosen]. It was chosen mostly because we just really liked it ~ but I like connecting names to other things and immediately went out and bought a copy of Sir Gawain & the Green Knight to give to my son in the future.

Although we knew the gender of our first child, somehow in the midst of agonizing discussions about names for him (we have seemingly different “styles”) we threw out a few girls names and at the time we agreed that we both really liked Cora & Molly (truthfully, I loved Cora SO much more than Molly and I had pretty much decided from the moment that Gavin was born that if he had a little sister, she’d be named Cora)
Fast forward to today, however, and lo and behold we know a “Cora” who has been a child in my son’s daycare the past few years. Somehow, knowing another little girl named Cora has caused us both to have such a strong association with this one particular girl, that it makes the name harder to consider (especially for my husband… I think I could get over it, but he really can’t get back on board with Cora). And Molly was used by a cousin and by a friend of ours (spelled Mollie) over the past three years and suddenly it doesn’t seem right this time around.

Since the first week we started seriously discussing names a few months ago (when the ultrasound tech told us it was a 95% chance of a girl), we keep coming back to the name Heidi. I loved the book as a child (and I love names that have literature connections and read that post on your blog about 15 times for inspiration!) We both really like Heidi, but for some reason neither of us can quite say: “I love this, this is her name!” I wonder a lot if Gavin & Heidi are good sibling names? Gavin is so Celtic sounding and Heidi is so German sounding (although with our two family surnames, I guess that is appropriate!). I am also REALLY hoping this little one gets my husband’s thick, dark brown hair and green/hazel eyes and I have a hard time not thinking of a “Heidi” as a blonde with blue eyes (which is unlikely given our genetic contributions!) Finally, although I really like my name “Katy” I have struggled with it sounding too “young” as I’ve grown older. I think of Heidi as a spunky little girl’s name so I’d love to hear your opinion on whether Heidi is name that she will “grow into well” and whether it transfers to the professional world. (and also whether it’s too “70s” as one baby name book suggested)

The only other name we’ve come close to agreeing on is Tessa or Tess. (but not short for Therese or Teresa, just as a stand alone name)

We do both agree that we like names whose spellings make it easy to know how to pronounce and that we like names that are both not too unusual that someone will look at us and say “is that a name?” or too popular — we’d likely rule out names in the top 15 of baby girl names.

My husband also likes (and I REALLY don’t):
Jodee (although I do have a cousin named this and I adore her)
Alyssa
Samantha
Melissa
Michelle

I’m lukewarm on his suggestions of:
Marissa (although I like Maris and Marin)
Mia
Maggie

For my husband, any name we choose also has to pass a test of “sounding like she could play women’s professional soccer” (don’t ask me exactly what that means but it does rule out names like Margery & Adaline apparently)

I really like (and my husband does NOT like):
Gretchen (his grandmother was Margaret & even my trying to convince him that this would be a way of naming a baby after her didn’t help!)
Leila
Antonia
Charlotte
Sadie
Laura
Evelyn
Ada (my husband’s other grandmother was named Aida … pronounced “Ida” so this is a little tricky since the family might wonder why we didn’t just name her Aida)
Polly (my grandmother’s name)
I also like the nick name “Nell” but my husband only agrees to that if if comes from the larger name “Janelle” and I really prefer that it come from “Eleanor”

Can you see how we have seemingly different naming “styles”!!

For some reason I keep thinking we’ll happen upon a name that we just both LOVE and will know that it’s the right one… but we’re getting down to the wire (and I’m having lots of pre-labor contractions as I type this) so I’m sending this one email to see if you or your readers have any name suggestions for us that go well with the sibling name Gavin and blend our two styles of names!

Oh and this is our last baby (unless the absolute unexpected happens) so the only thing we’ll be naming in the future is a dog!

Sorry for the long email, feel free to edit if you decide to post!
Thanks so much! I love reading your blog and have come back to it many sleepless nights during these last few weeks of pregnancy but since I’ve never seen anyone ask about the name Heidi, I thought I’d try emailing!

Katy

P.S. I do just want to add that although the ultrasound tech gave us a 95% chance of a girl, I have serious doubts about the gender sometimes and I keep peeking in the “boys” section of the baby name book to have a back up “just in case” this little one surprises us!! Is it crazy to have a back up boy’s name?

 
I don’t think it would be at all crazy to have a back-up boy’s name: I am always in favor of more name-hunting! At this point in the pregnancy it seems best to prioritize: FIRST get a solid girl name (or solid list of several to choose from) and THEN continue the fun with a boy name search. When I’d start to get stressed about choosing a name for the non-indicated-by-ultrasound sex, I found it comforting to think that if the baby WAS the sex we weren’t prepared for, it would be such an amusing and startling surprise and such a great story, everyone would be distracted by THAT for awhile—and besides, we’d have a perfect reason for needing a little extra time to find a name.

Your husband is suffering from a common affliction among fathers-to-be (not ONLY fathers, but it does seem more heavily weighted toward fathers), which is that he’s thinking about girl names from his own generation, rather than shifting to the current batch of baby names. You, on the other hand, have successfully shifted. This is the main difference between your lists: not so much style as timing.

I like the idea of making sure a name can work for various types of women, though I don’t like the idea of picking just ONE type. The idea behind “Does it work for a stripper or a Supreme Court Justice?” (which I modify to include less-unlikely professions such as manager, receptionist, teacher, lawyer, bookkeeper, check-out clerk, bank executive) is to make sure we’re taking into account that a child could be any of many different temperament types and skill-sets. It’s good to keep the athletes in mind, but also to remember the introverted book-reading types, the drama club types, the pink and glitter types, the nature-loving types, etc. Another thing to keep in mind is nicknames: it’s difficult to picture a Cordelia or a Marjorie playing soccer—but the picture changes if I imagine her teammates calling her Deels or Jory or Flemming.

I seem to be coming down pretty hard against your husband’s side here. Dear, dear, I don’t mean to: he has some very nice names on his list, and wanting her name to work on a girl who plays sports is good thing to keep in mind. I think it’s just reminding me of Paul back when we were first naming our babies and he kept suggesting names like Wendy, Tracy, and Tamara. Those are indeed fine names, and they were perfect fits for the girls we knew when we were in high school, but I was ready to move on to Eve and Elena and Emerson and Lauren and Olivia. KEEP UP, BOYS.

I love the name Cora. A name that feels similar to me is Clara. Clara Sights Flemming; Gavin and Clara. So pretty.

Another possibility: the rhyming name Nora. It reminds me of your Nell option, and it too can be short for Eleanor but works even better than Nell as a stand-alone name. Nora Sights Flemming; Gavin and Nora.

Maura and Laurel have similar sounds as well. I particularly like Laurel, especially since you have Laura on your list. Laurel Sights Flemming; Gavin and Laurel. Would the initials LSD bother you?

I think Heidi might be a very good compromise name. It’s a name from my own high school, and yet I feel ready to hear it again—unlike many of the other names of my peers. Heidi Sights Flemming; Gavin and Heidi. But I’m not sure I like it with the actual D-surname, without the Sights in between.

There’s also Idey or Eidey (stand-alone, or else short for Eidelyn/Idelyn), which share many of the sounds of Heidi and also give you a tie-in to Grandma Aida-pronounced-Ida. But this may fall into the “Is that a name?” category you’re talking about.

Ivy, too, has some of the sound of Heidi, without the potential ’70s problem, and I love the repeating V sound with Gavin. Ivy Sights Flemming; Gavin and Ivy. This is one of my favorite options.

Holly falls into this same category as Heidi for me: sure, it was used in my generation, but it’s more the “1970s owls” category than the “1970s bangs” category: I still want it around. And it’s similar to your old favorite of Molly. Holly Sights Flemming; Gavin and Holly.

A good compromise category might be The Baby Name Wizard‘s New Classics: these are the names that I was struggling to describe using owls and hair, but really what they are is names that work at our ages AND at our kids’ ages. Wendy, Tracy, and Tamara aren’t on there, but Kevin, Sean, Tessa, Holly, Alicia, Samantha, and Marissa are. Other good possibilities: Bethany, Cara, Bridget, Clarissa, Jocelyn, Lara, Laurel, Leslie, Meredith, Sabrina.

 

 

Name update! Katy writes:

First of all apologies for having taken SO long to update you on the name of our little girl!

(It’s been a busy three months with two kiddos and in the midst of it, I wound up back in the hospital with gall bladder surgery so I’ve been playing “catch up” on nearly everything!)

Secondly, thank you so much for posting my letter and for your very thoughtful response! And thank you to the many people who commented and offered suggestions as well. What you wrote as well as the many comments helped me to fall even further in love with the name Heidi however, I still kept feeling like I would need to see this baby to settle on that name.

After you printed the letter I made a huge list of every single name that was suggested by you as well as all the other names that were given in the comments. I grouped them by the ones I loved, the ones I didn’t like (or couldn’t use because I work in an all-girls school and they have the wrong connotation) and ones that I wanted to think about. I showed the list to my husband and after several long conversations, we settled on three that we could agree would be wonderful names: Heidi, Tessa & Leah (thank you to “Erin” who commented and suggested this name)

Despite my hopeful projections on Sept 12th, when I wrote the letter, our little girl took her sweet time and didn’t arrive until Sept. 28th. During the 36+ hours of laboring in the hospital, we were still so undecided that my husband kept offering other ideas and we even started to throw Mira into the mix of names. I knew, though, that I would need to meet my daughter to decide ultimately (which drove the nurses crazy as I felt so protective of wanting to decide on our own, we wouldn’t even share our top names with the nurses/midwives/my mother during the entire labor).

Finally, though our little girl was born … and as much as I LOVE the name Heidi, even from the first moments of seeing her, I wasn’t sure that was her name… she spent the first ten hours of her life as “Baby Girl” and while we cuddled and she nursed I kept trying out our names to see what fit…(Admittedly, I really wanted to look at her and know she was a Heidi, but something about her tiny little face, wouldn’t let me settle on that!) ultimately she let us know that she is a Leah. So I’d like to introduce you to our darling Leah. I think that Gavin & Leah wind up working well together and it really is a name that just seems to “fit” her in a way that the other names didn’t!

My only slight naming regret is that in our discussion of the name, we never imagined that a name spelled Leah would be pronounced any other way except “Lee-uh”… and for the past three months I have been asked about the pronunciation (and had to correct people ~ even close family members!) because many people pronounce it “Lay-uh” (or “Lee”).

So thank you again for all your advice. Attached is a photo of our little Leah at about 2 months in a beautiful handmade dress from the mother of a friend of mine!

Leah

Baby Naming Issue: Other People are Using an Unwanted Nickname

Autumn writes:

My problem is a little different than the typical name indecision issue you cover at Swistle, but I hope you and your readers can give me some advice.

I love names, and I spent a long time picking out the perfect name for my first son. I settled on Edison Byron. I wanted my son to have his own unique name, but I also wanted to honor my Dad, who doesn’t have any sons of his own. My Dad’s name is Edward but he goes by Ed (or Eddie with my Mom). I thought Edison was perfect, since he could go by Ed / Edi.

So what’s the problem? This baby is the first grandchild, so naturally everyone is excited. My sister told me while I was pregnant that she was going to have her own special name for my son. I told her I’d wanted veto power over any nicknames she wanted to use, and she became very upset that I was so controlling. She said that what she wanted to call my son was her decision. I let it drop and figured I’d deal with it later, especially since she lives far away and likely won’t see Edison very often. Just recently she came to stay for a few weeks to meet her nephew and help me out. While she was here, she decided that referring to Edison as Ed or Edi was “too weird”, because that’s my Dad’s name. My sister decided that she will call him E, and now my mother has started to use that nickname!

I don’t like the nickname, for 3 specific reasons. One, I picked Edison with the intention that my son would either go by his full name or Ed / Edi in honor of my Dad. Calling him E entirely routes around that. Second, I have a strong preference for other E names and am considering an E theme, and I love the name Beatrix with the nickname of Bea…but I would hate to have an E and a Bea. Third, (though less important) the name E just sounds more edgy than my own style (though it fits really nicely with my sister’s style).

How do you and your readers typically handle family nicknames? Should I try and stop this nickname, or should I not worry about it? Since I understand that it’s a little weird to suddenly have another Ed in the family, are there other nicknames I can offer that will still honor my Dad?

Thanks for your help!

This is a very tricky issue, because on one hand I can vividly imagine how teeth-clenchingly annoyed I’d be if someone was calling one of my kids a nickname I didn’t like—and on the other hand, I don’t think much can be done without being more aggressive than I’d ever want to be about such a thing. It’s so easy for other people to say “It’s YOUR baby and YOU get to decide…” or “Don’t LET them…” or “You need to INSIST that they…” when the scenario is happening in their imaginations (which is also where we tell off our boss and that mean girl in high school), but much harder to do it in real life—especially when nicknaming rights are a grey area.

I can’t tell from your letter whether you’ve already explained your reasons to your mom and sister. If not, that’s where I’d start: I think it’s easy for people to object to being told what to do, but much harder to persevere when they’ve heard the perfectly understandable reasons not to. I would particularly emphasize the potential future-sibling-name problems and the honoring-dad-with-the-nickname issue (and in fact might skip the style one). I would do the whole thing calmly and nicely (tone should be requesting/explaining rather than demanding), perhaps with quavering voice and tears threatening to brim. I think I’d start with your mom, since I think she’ll be easier to convince and then she might be able to help with your sister (and also because later in this post I’m going to discuss the possibility of allowing your sister to keep using the nickname, in which case you’d only need to talk to your mom about it).

(I’m not accepting your sister’s argument that it’s weird to have another Ed in the family. Plenty of children are named after other people, and it might be a little odd at first but then everyone gets used to it. Plus, if Ed/Edi is too weird for her to get used to, she can call him Edison. Her argument that she wants to have her own special name for him holds way more sway.)

If they know your reasons and are doing it anyway, I’m stumped. I’ve heard stories of people teaching their children rude comebacks, or using ultimatums such as “You can’t see him unless you call him what _I_ want you to call him,” but for me those would be “only in my mind” techniques. I’m imagining if my much-disliked mother-in-law had insisted on calling one of my children a name we had a specific and reasonable reason for objecting to—but even THEN I don’t think I would have used the destruction of a family relationship as my threat of choice. Maybe I could have managed something like a wincing “Oh, I’m sorry, but we REALLY don’t want him called that.” Again, I’m not sure parents DO have full nickname control—or if they do, it doesn’t last past the point where the child can make his or her own decisions about what he or she wants (or is willing to be) called, at which point perhaps your son will (politely!) tell his aunt he’d prefer to be called Edi.

This is the part where I suggest that another possibility is to allow his aunt to call him E. I generally dislike the nickname Kris and generally wouldn’t want anyone to call me that—but one set of my grandparents DID call me Kris, and my aunt (their daughter) still calls me Kris sometimes, and it’s just different: to me, when THEY use it, it’s “their special name for me,” losing all elements of “a nickname I dislike.” I can imagine a boy might really enjoy being called E by his aunt, even if he didn’t want other people to call him that.

It’s different, though, if the nickname catches on, as it looks like it might if your mom is already using it. Again, this is where your sensible reasons seem like they’d come in handy: you have legitimate concerns here, and perhaps even if your sister won’t change (which might be okay or even better than okay), you can persuade your mom and others not to join in. If someone new calls him E, you can say, “Actually, he goes by Edi: E is just his aunt’s special nickname for him.”

Baby Boy Marchese, Brother to Reed, Evelyn, and Lucy

Sarah writes:

I’m 37 weeks pregnant and we have no name for our son. We have a son Brian (father’s name) Reed and he goes by Reed, a daughter Evelyn Anne (she sometimes goes by Evie), and a Lucy Margaret. Our last name is Marchese (Mar-k-z) which is Italian but as you can see we haven’t really gone the Italian route with any of our names. Each of these names we really love and this time we are really struggling to find a name we both love and agree on. My family keeps making fun of me because I have so many “rules” about this name but I would really like something that goes well with Reed, Evelyn and Lucy. First, I really don’t want an “L” name because Lucy is right before this one. I also don’t want a name that ends in a “y” since we have a Lucy and Evelyn goes by Evie sometimes. And finally I don’t want an “R” name because I would rather both boys not begin with the same letter. OK so maybe I do have a lot of rules but in my hormonal brain it all makes sense.

Here are a few names on my list:
Nathan (call him Nate)
Gabriel (call him Gabe)
Ezra
Jonah
Noah (one of my brothers names which I love but not sure I want to use)

Here are a few of my husbands picks:
Jude (which I like but then we have a Lucy and a Jude which makes me automatically think of the 2 big Beetles songs)
Beck
James
Oliver (We just had a friend that had an Oliver so that’s kind of off the table)

As you can see these lists aren’t that long. We are just really stumped! I’ve never been this close to my due date without a least some idea of what we would name our child. We’ve been searching baby name books and the internet with no avail. Please help!!!! Oh and our names are Brian Acra (family name) and Sarah Elizabeth.

Thank you!!!!

Looking at the three sibling names, I thought of how comfortably all three names would go in the credits of an old black-and-white movie. Trying to think of what other names would fit in that line-up (more brainstormy-type thinking than actual reality, as you’ll see), I immediately thought of Grant and Clark. Grant Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Grant. Clark Marchese (maybe too many shared sounds with surname); Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Clark.

Or Nolan, or Spencer. Nolan Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Nolan. Spencer Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Spencer.

Or John, or Jack. John Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and John. Jack Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Jack.

Or Hudson, or Holden. Hudson Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Hudson. Holden Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Holden.

Or Davis, or Harris, or Dean. Davis Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Davis. Harris Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Harris. Dean Marchese; Reed, Evelyn, Lucy, and Dean.

I also like Gabe from your list, or the similar name Gage. Or James is excellent, I think.

Baby Boy or Girl Axel Fur, Sibling to Atticus and Avner

M. writes:

We are expecting our third child mid-September, though I think it will show up sooner. We don’t know the sex of the baby and I don’t have any strong feelings either way.

Here is some background. We already have two boys named Atticus and Avner. Their last name is both of our last names and rhymes with Axel Fur. We didn’t plan on having two A-names for the boys and are a little self-conscious about it. We’ve been pretty adamant that we *don’t* want another A name, although in the last few days I’ve been softening as there are so many great A names! (I also acknowledge that our banning of A names has probably made them even more attractive this round.)

We’ve done what you don’t suggest and know what the middle names will be. The boys have middle names that honour family members (my FIL and my deceased brother) and we’d like to honour a dear friend who is no longer with us. Her middle name was North and we’d use that for a boy. If we have a girl, we’re going to saddle the poor thing with two middle names–our friend’s first name (Azra) and Joan (which was my Nana’s name and also is the middle name of both my mother and my sister). Yes, we’re thinking of being crazy and giving the poor child FIVE names! One first, two middle, two last. It’s over the top, but I kind of don’t care at this point. I am NOT having another child, so let’s blow our load on this one!

I’ve got a long list of girl names that I like and that I think would fit–Harriet being the top contender as far as I’m concerned, with some other names being Lois, Alice, Agnes, Margot, Ivy, Iris, Hazel–but we’re still searching.

Boys names are so hard! I feel like there are so many things that we have to consider that no name will work: no A name (but they’re the best!), no name that sounds like a last name (as the mn sounds like a ln and he’ll already have two lns, poor soul), something not too common, a real name, nothing poncey or with too many syllables. I want it to be strong, a little tough, but something that would go with his siblings. For example, I came across the name Tiernan and thought, that’s a good name, but then realized it sounded like a yuppie child’s name. I want a name that would be as home on the oil rigs as the theatre as the doctor’s lounge. (I know Atticus doesn’t necessarily fit that, but…that was five years ago!) Some names that we’ve been talking about are Ivan, Silas, Callum, Orson (a last name, but I love the meaning: little bear/bear cub, as this baby has very much been one in utero). A names that are suddenly very attractive because they are verboten are: Ansel, Ambrose, Amos, Anders, Arlo.

In the past we have a strong list of about eight names and wait until the baby was born to name him and are hoping to come up with lists that we’re both happy with. Also, just to make things even that more difficult, we’d prefer a name that doesn’t lend itself to nicknames.

So, as you can see, we’re a mess. I would love to hear your thoughts and access the hive mind of your readers.

Thanks so much!

It was my mom who brought my attention to the fact that many people have “favorite initials”: one or two initials that tend to be heavily represented in their name lists. One of my mom’s is K; one of mine is E. (Most people also have a couple of least-favorite initials.)

If you were planning more children than three, I think I would be encouraging you to avoid A names this time around lest you paint yourself into a corner. But if you’re pretty sure you’re stopping after three, and if A-names tend to be the ones you love most (rather than ones you feel pressured into using), I find it appeals to me to think of you with your three little A-name children. I think it can be a fun family thing—and with only three, it hasn’t gone far enough to seem odd. And it looks to me as if your A-name list is more consistent with your style than your non-A-name list. I think you could go either way: if the favorite name starts with an A, or if the favorite name doesn’t start with an A, there are good things about either decision.

My attention was caught by Orson, because although I don’t like the way it flows with the other names, I DO like the bear thing. I Googled bear names, and found this list, which has several good possibilities. (Watch out on this and other bear-name lists: the verb “bear,” as in “many famous people bear this name,” leads to many sorting errors.)

More suggestions, non-A or A, bear-related or non-bear-related?

Baby Naming Issue: Ivy vs. Ivee

Brooke writes:

Hi! My name is Brooke and my husband is Brian. Our last name is similar to Peterson.

We are still in the preliminary baby-growing and baby-naming stages (16 weeks) and have not yet found out if our baby-to-be is a girl or boy.

If it is a girl, my top name choice is Ivy.

Brian has agreed to this name, but he wants it to be spelled Ivee. He knows someone named Ivee and does not know anyone with the name Ivy.

I love Ivy, but I pretty much loath Ivee. He feels the opposite. He thinks it would be weird to name a little girl after a plant. I feel like it would be even weirder to give her a made up name…or at least a made up spelling for a name.

We have a short list of other names that we can agree on – Nora, Sarah, Eden, Eve, etc. – so it is not like Ivy/Ivee is our only choice.

But, since it is my favorite and he has actually (amazingly!) agreed to it, I don’t know if I should settle for a spelling I dislike or just give up on my sweet Ivy and go with another name.

Or…maybe it will be a boy and we can wait to worry about this issue until another pregnancy.

Should I settle for Ivee? Should we move on and keep looking at other names?

Thanks so much!

 
I’d start by seeing if you can find out if your husband’s mind can be changed on the issue of whether or not it’s weird to use a plant name. Ivy, Rose, Violet, Lily, Willow, Daisy, Heather, Holly, Iris, Jasmine—these are all plant names that people use as-is, without having to alter the spellings. We do the same with many other noun names: Hope, Grace, Autumn, May, River, Ruby, Faith. I would first see if your husband feels the same way about the spelling of these other names, or if it’s just that he’s not used to Ivy as a name. It isn’t that we never change the spellings of noun names (“Brooke” is a convenient example; Lilly and Saige and Skye also come to mind), but Ivy is in the category of names we as a culture don’t consider weird to leave as it is.

Your husband knows an Ivee, which certainly influences his feelings. The Social Security Administration may be of assistance here: in 2010, there were 1,073 baby girls named Ivy, and 13 named Ivee. Another 61 were named Ivey; another 33 were named Ivie. The spelling Ivy is clearly the main spelling. This is not to say that the main spelling must be honored; it is only another suggested argument against his feeling that Ivee is a more natural spelling of the name.

Because I so strongly side with you about spelling it Ivy, I’m reluctant to even mention these possible compromise spellings: Ivie, Ivey.

 

 

Name update! Brooke writes:

I followed one commenter’s advice and left the name conversation alone until we learned the sex of our little one.

We learned that we were having a boy, so the Ivy/Ivee conversation has been tabled. I am sure it will come up again if/when a future pregnancy brings us a girl, but for now, I have just left it alone.

My long list of potential boy names was largely vetoed and we didn’t make a final decision until we met our little man, but we are so happy with our choice. His name is Samuel Birger (BRR-jer). Birger is my dad’s first name and I love that Sam has this connection with his Pops.

Many thanks to you and your readers for all of the comments and consideration.
Samuel

Baby Name to Consider: Tolliver

In a book I’m reading, a character named Tolliver is briefly mentioned. This name seems to me to have huge potential, and yet it’s extremely rare in the U.S.: not even five babies were given the name in 2010. (The Social Security Administration gives out name data only for names given to five or more babies; Tolliver is not in their database, so it could have been given to one, two, three, or four babies—or to no babies at all.)

Periodically we have a parent mention that they like the name Oliver but the other parent doesn’t like it, or they don’t like the nickname Ollie, or they don’t like the orphan/cat association, or it’s way too common. Tolliver has the potential to solve any of those four problems, as well as solving any problem where the initial O would be difficult but the initial T would not. For parents looking for a highly-unusual-but-not-weird-or-made-up name (a common request here), Tolliver feels familiar despite its rarity because of the popularity of Oliver. And it’s an old established surname name, so it fits in there as well—and would be especially perfect for a family with Tollivers in their family tree.

As to whether it might cause confusion to have Tollivers mixing with Olivers, I think a very close comparison study would be Madelines and Adelines. Probably there is the occasional confusion—but not enough to mean only one of those names can be used.

Mull it over a bit, say it out loud a few times, picture it on some real people of various ages, and then let’s have a poll over to the right to see what we think of it. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Poll results (295 votes total):

I love it! I’d use it! – 14 votes (5%)
I like it! I’d consider it! – 31 votes (11%)
I like it for someone else’s baby – 92 votes (31%)
No particular opinion – 26 votes (9%)
Slight dislike – 85 votes (29%)
Strong dislike – 47 votes (16%)

Baby Boy Morrison

Veronique writes:

My husband and I are about to have our first child, a boy, and having a really hard time with his name. We have a lot of names we like, but we haven’t agreed on one and he is due any day now (Monday to be exact – although I think it may be a bit later than that.).

One name we have both liked from the start is Austin. Although a coworker of mine just named his son Augustus, so now I’m worried it too similar … it is a very small office. Although, my husband says I shouldn’t worry about it.

Other names we like are:
Ethan (although we just realized how popular it was so have nixed it)
Sebastian (not sure I like it with Morrison)
Miles (I love this name, husband isn’t crazy about it – especially with our last name)
Julian (but our friends just named their son it, so don’t think we can).

My dad’s family is from France, so I would love a French name that can easily be pronounced in both languages. We haven’t had much luck finding them, two options we’re considering are:

Phillip/Phillipe (not crazy about the nn phil though)
Henry/Henri

Would love to hear your thoughts on the names we’ve thought of or ones you suggest. I like names that are a little different, but my husband is a bit more traditional. We don’t have any set middle name, it will really depend on what we choose as the first.

Thanks!

 
I do think Austin is far enough from Augustus that it’s not an issue. Augusten and Augustus might be too close, but Austin and Augustus are so different, not just in sound but in style (and I wonder if they might be planning to call him Gus?). If you’ve both liked it from the beginning, this could be the best choice.

A friend of mine has a son named Phillip and they call him Pip. My mom and I agreed that this makes us want to use the name Phillip, just so we can use that fabulous nickname.

I’m not familiar enough with French to know which names sound good in both languages, but using the France section of The Best Baby Names in the World, From Around the World and the French section of The Baby Name Wizard to help me (some of these are in there, some of them I thought of when seeing names that were in there), I suggest this list:

Adrian
Clark
Claude
Dax
Everett
Fabien
Frederick
Gage
Gideon
Hugo
Jasper
Jerard
Lucien
Luke
Mark
Nicholas
Pascal
Russell
Simeon

(In many cases, you’d need to decide whether to use the French spelling or the U.S. English spelling; I leaned toward the U.S. spellings when making the list.)

I have to keep myself from over-pushing the name Pascal. It’s French and almost unused in the U.S. (only 28 new baby Pascals born in 2010, according to the Social Security Administration), but I think it could really work well here.

My other favorites from the list with your surname: Everett Morrison, Frederick Morrison, Gage Morrison, Hugo Morrison, Luke Morrison. Adrian and Fabien seem closest to Julian and Sebastien.

If Ethan is too popular, I wonder if you would like Ian? It’s more like “Yun” in French: here it is on Forvo—it’s like the “i” is still there, but swallowed.

Would your husband like Milo any better than Miles? On Forvo it sounds more like mee-lo.

 

 

Name update! Veronique writes:

Austin Henri Morrison has arrived Tuesday at 7 AM – almost right on time. I’ve attached a photo of him, he sure is a cutie. Thanks again for the post and suggestions, it was all very helpful and appreciated.

cutie

Baby Boy Lucas, Brother to Seraphina Lily, Arabella Poppy, and India Violet

Rose writes:

I desperately need your help! My name is Rose, my husbands name is David and our last name sounds like Lucas. I have 2 & 1/2 year old twin girls named Seraphina Lily and Arabella Poppy, and a 9 month – yes, 9 months old!!! – old baby girl named India Violet. We call the girls Sephy, Bella and Indie about 75% of the time. We have a baby boy due on the 7th of October – can you imagine the look on our faces when we fell pregnant not even 3 months after Indie?This baby will definitely be our last!

So anyway, we are having a horrible time trying to name him. I think it’s hard because our girls have such unique, gorgeous, princessy, names. For example Seraphina, Arabella, India and John sounds strange (not that I even like the name John). We know that his middle name will either be Henry or James after my father, depending on which sounds better with the first name. I’m also not sure on whether we should choose a name with a nickname as the girls all have nicknames.

A name we loved for India was Emerson “Emmie”, as Emerson is David’s, mothers maiden name. I know that Emerson is a ‘uni-sex’ name, but is it masculine enough for a boy? It could possibly be an option. Emerson James Lucas…

Here are a few names we have considered:
Oliver – But I’m not a big fan of the nn Ollie.
Jude – I really like, but I don’t know if it fits with the girls names.
Elliot – My husband likes it, but I am worried I would call him ‘Elle/Ellie’.
Max – I love Max, but I think it sounds too much like a nn and my husband doesn’t love it.
William – We both quite like the nn Liam, but Liam Lucas doesn’t sound any good.

So there you have it. Please help us!

Name update: Rose writes:

Sorry I didn’t get back with a name update sooner. Unfortunately our sweet baby boy was stillborn on the 30th of September 2011. We named him Emerson James.

We had decided we would wait until he was born to name him, and had the names Theodore ‘Theo’, Judson ‘Judd’ and William ‘Liam’ on our list. However when we saw him we knew he was an Emerson! The twins refer to him as ‘baby Em’ and love to look at the pictures we have of him.

Thank you for your wonderful suggestions, even though we did not use them.

Baby Girl Pinkerton, Sister to Celia Rose

Amy writes:

My name is Amy and I’m 27 weeks pregnant and have a C-section scheduled for the 16th of November. I feel like I am going crazy trying to pick out a name. We have a three year old girl Celia Rose, and are expecting another little girl. I am so behind on everything to get ready for this second baby, which is so unlike me. I am usually so decisive and ahead of schedule! Yet for some reason this time my husband and I just can’t seem to pick a name! HELP!!

We thought we’d found her name three times now. The first name picked was Evelyn, but the longer we both thought about it the less we both liked it. The second name we liked (I think I liked it more than he did) was Phoebe, but once again a few weeks later we started re-discussing the name. Finally I really thought we had it when we settled on Charlotte, but both girls having a C name started to bug me, not to mention that Charlotte is a very long name to go with our rather long last name (Pinkerton) and the final straw was when my sister named her new dog Charlie.

So it seems that once again we are back to not having a name picked out. My husband doesn’t have a ton of ideas of his own, so it’s mostly me making endless list while trolling the internet that he later shoots down. We do not want a popular name (I am an Amy from the 80’s and my husbands name is Jack) and I guess I don’t want another C name- it makes me worry about the possibility of needing another C name if we had a third baby girl. I’d also like a name that had a nickname since I never had one but it’s not a deal breaker.

I have a list of lots of names we like ok, but I so love my first daughter’s name Celia, and it seemed that as soon as it was mentioned we both loved it and never looked back, I’d hate to feel like we settled on something we just like “ok” for our second girl!

As far as middle names go we really like Grace, but have thought of using Ann as well since it is my mother and my sister’s middle name. We’d also thought of trying to find another flower middle name to go with Rose but that’s harder than we thought it would be, not to mention the trouble I’d be in if we had a third girl!

Anyhow here are the names still currently on my list:

Charlotte- which I really do love, but I just don’t think it’s for us.

Evelyn- I love the nickname possibility but I just don’t LOVE it.

Everly- Just found this on your website; I like it but need more time to think about it.

Phoebe- My husband’s least favorite of the “almost” names.

Emma- I can’t help but think of the show Friends.

Genevieve- I love this name too- but a good friend just used it!

Vivian- This name was my top pick but the husband vetoed it.

Juliet- cannot find a great middle name for it and its meaning (down-bearded youth) kind of bugs me. It does have great nickname possibilities though.

Eleanor- I love this name and my husband loves this name. Unfortunately we named our dog Eleanor so it’s not like we can use it now! UGH! Not to mention my good friend is naming her baby Nora.

I really would like to have a named soon because it’s making me crazy. I could use all of this time I’m spending hunting for names on finishing (or starting- ha) the baby’s room! Thanks for your help!

You’ve got Evelyn and Genevieve and Vivian and Everly, and this is making me think you like E and V sounds, which makes me wonder if you’d like Eve. I think it has a lot of the sweetness and charm of Celia. Eve Pinkerton; Celia and Eve. Or Eva, unless that would make you feel pressured to use -a names for a future daughter. Eva Pinkerton; Celia and Eva.

Or Geneva. Geneva Pinkerton; Celia and Geneva.

I think Violet would work well, too. I think of it as similar to Charlotte, because of the similar endings and sweet vintage sound. It’s also similar to Juliet and to Vivian. Violet Pinkerton; Celia and Violet. Then you’d have a flower name as the first name, and could freeform for the middle name. Violet Ann? Violet Grace?

Anna would be pretty. Anna Pinkerton; Celia and Anna. I like that a lot. Anna Grace, maybe. Celia Rose and Anna Grace. Or Anna Charlotte. Or Anna Juliet.

Or if you’d like something a little fancier, Annabel. Annabel Pinkerton; Celia and Annabel.

If you like Everly, you might like Ellery or Emery.

Eliza is pretty and underused. (But like Eva, it might make you feel pressured to choose another -a name for a third girl.) Eliza Pinkerton is so charming I can hardly stand it—I wish that were my name! Celia and Eliza.

Or Eloise has much of the same sound as Eliza, but without the -a ending. Eloise Pinkerton; Celia and Eloise.

Another -a name possibility is Fiona. Fiona Pinkerton; Celia and Fiona. You know, I started this post feeling like your surname would be difficult to work with, but I’m changing my mind completely: it adds both dignity and whimsy, and that’s a combination that’s both valuable and hard to find. I feel like pressuring you to have three little girls and name them Celia, Eliza, and Fiona. (I put them in alphabetical order because I like that, but also look how the ‘i’ moves from fourth-letter to third-letter to second letter! And all three names have five letters and three syllables! HAVE THREE LITTLE GIRLS AND GIVE THEM THESE NAMES.)

I think Grace would work wonderfully as a first name. Grace Pinkerton; Celia and Grace.

I want so badly to suggest Ivy and Iris, but the I.P. (sounds like “I pee”) initials kill it for me.

Beatrix Pinkerton; Celia and Beatrix. I love the name Beatrix and wish more people would use it so I could swoon more often.

Alice Pinkerton; Celia and Alice. I just noticed what great twin names these would be: they’re made of the same five letters, rearranged.

Meredith Pinkerton; Celia and Meredith.

Elsa Pinkerton; Celia and Elsa.

Elena Pinkerton; Celia and Elena.

Name update! Amy writes:

Thank you and all your readers for all of your help and suggestions! I was totally stressed out about finding the perfect name. After reading your wonderful response and all the comments I fell in love with one of your suggestions. My main concern was that my husband wouldn’t like it. So I had him read your reply when he got home and tell me if he liked any of your suggestions. Amazingly we both ended up picking the same name. I was surprised and THRILLED!! After several weeks of “living with the name” we both still totally loved it and it became our second child’s name! So I am happy to announce that our sweet little Eliza Grace was born November 16th. We are completely in love with her name and it fits her perfectly. Thanks again!

Baby Boy or Girl M_______y, Sibling to Lincoln Daniel

Stephanie writes:

Ok, so we have one son and his name is Lincoln Daniel (last name is Irish and starts with an M and ends with a Y). My name is Stephanie Marie and hubby is Daniel Raymond. If this baby is a boy we have the name Nicholas James picked out. Nicholas is after my late uncle and I just love the name James and my husband happens to have an uncle on each side named James.

Girl names are what we cannot figure out. I do NOT like Nicole for a girl. My husband has a pretty big family and does not want to use any of their names for first names. This is fine with me for the most part because there are a lot of repeats already (ie. 2 Coleens, 3 Irenes, etc.). However, I LOVE the name Lauren, but he has a young first cousin named Lauren with the same last name. There aren’t really any other family names that I like for a first name. My great-grandmother was named Valentina, but I would only want to use it as a middle name. Oh, I am due in Early March but will probably deliver sometime in February. Other names I like are:

Noelle (not sure about using it when baby is not born close to Christmas)

Laurel

Brenna (hubby doesn’t like it)

Such a short list. I don’t feel like Valentina pairs well with any of these. My family is Ukrainian and there are a few Ukrainian names that I like, but just sound silly with an Irish last name. I also like a few french names, like Cosette, Colette, Juliet, Gabrielle, but I don’t even know anyone that’s French and I don”t feel like our families will identify with those names.

So, what name pairs well with Lincoln and can stand up to an Irish last name and flows well with Valentina? Or maybe you can think of another middle name that sounds better.

 
I think Laurel Valentina is great. I think it flows well, and that Lincoln and Laurel is a cute sibling set—better even than Lincoln and Lauren, which seem like they might cross the matchy line.

(The comments section on the post Baby Naming Issue: Using the Name Natalie For a Baby Not Born at Christmas might be of some use on the Noelle issue, even though it was written about a different name.)

Though Cosette and Colette still sound French to the U.S. ear, I think Gabrielle is nearly as mainstreamed as names like Nicole and Michelle and Danielle (which sound a little French, but probably in the same way names like Patrick and Ryan and Kyle sound a little Irish), and that only the Juliette form of Juliet seems French. Depending on which French names you have in mind, that could be an excellent category to revisit. Or, some French names have an Anglicized version (like Juliet for Juliette): if, for example, you like Cecile, you could consider Celia. If you like Clarisse, you could consider Clarissa.

Do you like Eloise? It’s French, without being alienatingly French. I love it with your surname, and with Valentina.

Or Josephine? Maybe too many shared sounds with Valentina. But if so, French names often make wonderful middle names because so many of them have the emphasis on the second syllable: Josephine Celeste, Josephine Colette, Josephine Noelle, etc. It might be a nice way to get a French name you love, without as much of the worry that it won’t fit right with your family.

I wonder if your husband would like Bryn (or Brin) more than Brenna? Bryn Valentina M_____y; Lincoln and Bryn. I would prefer to avoid the initials B.M., though.

Lincoln is a surname name—but because it evokes Abraham Lincoln (and because it’s been in the Top 1000 as a first name since at least 1880 when the public online Social Security records begin), I think it sounds good with early American names like Abigail, Molly, Ruth, Emily. Molly is perhaps not right with your surname, and Emily might be too common—but I like Lincoln and Abigail, Lincoln and Ruthie, Lincoln and Amelia, Lincoln and Lydia, Lincoln and Eliza, Lincoln and Margaret, Lincoln and Clara, Lincoln and Cora, Lincoln and Adeline, Lincoln and Alice.