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Baby Name to Consider: Lahey

Hello,

My husband and I are doing ivf and the morning of our transfer (scheduled for that day a week in advance) his grandfather died. If this baby sticks around, I feel like there is something so incredibly meaningful and we have to name the baby after the grandfather. The grandfather’s first name has been used within the family 4 times (my husbands grandfather, uncle, cousin and brother) so we are not using it. But his middle name is his mother’s maiden name and has been used as a middle name in the family once. The name is Lahey. We are considering not telling anyone and naming the baby Lahey wether it is a boy or a girl. As a boy it would be Lahey William or Lahey James and as a girl it would be Lahey Elena or Lahey Anne or Lahey Rose.

Basically, in all my googling there is little data of this is ever used as a first name. Is it crazy? I know there aren’t a lot of aparent nick names for it but I can see a Layla or LaLa forming for a girl. My other daughter has a much more common name, so I am worried this will be weird. Her name is a solid top 100 but rarely top 30 name.

Our last name is hiphened and sounds okay and weird with everything so it’s of very little concern.

Thank you so much for your help!

Amanda

 

I love the idea of using maiden names as first names. I am not sure what I think of this particular maiden name.

As you mention, Lahey is virtually unused in the U.S. as a first name: I looked back half a dozen years and it is not in the Social Security baby names data base for any of them. (Names used for at least five boy or five girl babies are included in the data base.)

I am working on the assumption that the name is pronounced LAY-hee, but I am prepared to find that there are other pronunciations.

One potential issue with very unusual names is that associations don’t have as much chance to become diluted. My immediate association with the name Lahey is the word “lay.” Do the kids still use that slang? The name Layla, which also contains the sound “lay,” has that association for some people but has additional associations as “a first name for girls,” and as “that Eric Clapton song,” and as “a name on my friend’s baby-name list,” and as “that person I know named Layla,” and as “names that remind me of Princess Leia,” and so on. The brain files “Layla” in multiple files, and all those files get brought to the front upon hearing the name. The name Lahey has fewer files for the brain to access, so each association carries more weight.

Another potential issue with very unusual names is spelling/pronunciation. A name such as Sophia should be difficult to spell/pronounce, but isn’t, because the name is common and so we’ve become familiar with it: we know it isn’t spelled Soffeeuh, or pronounced sop-hy-uh. And when we hear it on the phone, we recognize it quickly because we are expecting to hear a name and our brain has “Sophia” filed under “names.” The name Lahey, because it is so unfamiliar, will take more repetitions. The ear may hear “Lacey” or “Laney” or “Layla” or “Leigh” or some other name that the brain offers up after it gets a 404 error, or may hear “lazy” or “lady.” The eye may see “Laney” with an extra tall stick on that N; or might see a Lah sound instead of a Lay sound, or a Hey sound instead of a Hee sound, causing pronunciation guesses such as lah-HAY (or, if it IS pronounced lah-HAY, then pronunciation guesses such as LAY-hee). You’ll have to spell it, pronounce it, explain it, over and over and over again. Will this drive you crazy, or will it give you a happy little thrill to tell the naming story each time? Parents are all over the spectrum on this kind of thing.

In addition to considering the relative popularity of your first child’s name, if this baby is a girl I would also suggest considering the relative femininity. I agree with your assessment that the name Lahey could be unisex; if your first daughter’s name is also unisex, the two names will work better together (despite popularity differences) than if your first daughter’s name is quite feminine and used exclusively for girls.

I wonder if you might return to the idea of using the grandfather’s first name instead. When I first read the email, I thought you meant it had been used for four new babies—that is, that in your children’s generation there were already four babies honoring this grandfather. But none of the people sharing the name are in your children’s generation, and one of the four is the grandfather himself. I think carrying on a family name in this next generation too would be lovely. But perhaps the issue is that your husband’s brother and/or cousin are planning to pass along the name themselves.

Looking at the middle name options, I notice a lot of repeated sounds in Lahey Elena. I would lean toward either Lahey Anne or Lahey Rose instead.

I would also like to make sure that when you say you “have to” use the name, you mean it in the sense of really wanting to because it feels like a really cool and fun idea. If you are instead feeling stress and pressure, as if the timing of things means you are required to do something you don’t want to do, I encourage you to ditch that feeling. The universe is full of interesting coincidences, and I have not yet seen a handbook that says any of those coincidences require commemoration in a child’s name. The timing could instead be commemorated by its inclusion in the story of how this child came into your lives.

Baby Girl Hustling-with-an-R, Sister to Gus and Hugh

Hi,

I have been a long time reader for inspiration but never thought I would end up writing in for advice! But here I am having a scheduled delivery on 5 September for a baby girl with no name picked out!!

I have two boys already Gus (almost 5) and Hugh (2.5). We didn’t have anywhere near this much trouble naming them. Our last name starts with R and rhymes with hustling. This will be our last baby.

Up until recently we were happy with Audrey but it now seems very common and is popping up everywhere (in my neighborhood at least). My other favorite is Grace which I ruled out due to popularity and was leaning towards Audrey. But if Audrey is getting popular I thought, why not just go with Grace? But I am not sure, I think of Grace as more of her middle name.

My husband ruled out Rose years ago but recently said he didn’t mind and I could pick whatever I wanted (as long as he really didn’t dislike it). He came up with both of the boys names although I really liked them anyway.
So Rose, which I have always loved, has made it back in literally 5 days ago. I think the double R is sweet and the boys both have two middle names (to honor family) so it is likely this girl will too – eg Rose Amelia Grace. We aren’t using any family for middle names but I am now used to/quite like having the two middle names.

But I am not sure this is the name? We don’t like anything that is too popular but still seem to pick somewhat popular names (eg I am sure there are plenty of Angus and Hugo’s out there but given they are just different enough to the boys names this doesn’t bother us).

And because we have actually been calling her Audrey I am still a bit attached to this name but I am just not as in love with it anymore.

I definitely want a feminine name and do like names like Sophia, Olivia, Charlotte, Amelia, Edith, Ivy, Eleanor (eg classic or older) but they are either too popular or we can’t use them due to close friends or family using the name – we have alot of female relatives so names ruled out due to family alone are:
Avie, Evie, Edie, Ivy, Ava, Eva (or anything that rhymes with that)
Josephine
Annabelle
Scarlett
Lucy/Lucia
Alice (this would have been a front runner but is definitely out)
Gretel/Greta
Liv
Zoe
Violet
Rachel
Emily
Madeleine
Ruby
Olivia
Frances
Molly
Georgia
Bridget
Hannah
Catherine
Kate
Poppy (another top contender but too close to another relatives name).

I don’t think it would be an issue but we do not want to use a name someone in the family has already used.

My husband has ruled out Margaret (Maggie) and Francesca (too close to Frances), Elizabeth and Eliza but these probably aren’t top contenders anyway.

Others I have either ruled out or don’t love are, Isla, Penelope, Daisy, Clementine, Lola, Harriet, Alexandra, Bella/Ella, Elsie, Eloise, Phoebe, Stella, Mia/Mila, Abigail, Adelaide, Isobelle, Harper, Emma and Matilda/Tilly.

I don’t mind if it is a longer name to be shortened or a short name like the boys.

I think a big issue is that so many of my favorite names are already taken by family or now becoming too popular.

I do like Audrey, Rose or Grace but can’t seem to settle on something and wonder if there is something else out there…
I am hoping it will magically come to me when she is delivered but I am getting concerned that this baby won’t have a name!!!

Please help!
Nicolette

 

I think Audrey and Rose are both lovely choices. I would throw most of my support behind Rose, except I hesitate to combine a word first name with a word surname. If that doesn’t bother you, then Rose would be my top choice. Gus, Hugh, and Rose.

Because your first two children have the initials G and H, I would be tempted by the idea of finding a name starting with the letter I for your third child. It’s not the sort of thing I would allow to dominate the name hunt or take precedence over other preferences, but if it would be FUN, and if you DID love a name starting with that started with that letter ANYway…

Ida
Imogen
Ingrid
Ione
Irina
Iris (perhaps not with this surname)
Isa
Isadora

 

More ideas for the first name:

Agatha
Anne
Azalea
Beatrice
Beatrix
Cecily (maybe too much S-sound with the surname)
Clarissa
Claudia
Cleo
Clover
Cordelia
Estelle
Esther
Faye
Fern
Flora
Jane
Leigh
Louisa
Mabel
Magnolia
Marigold
Marilla
Martha
Meredith
Nadia
Olive
Pearl
Rosemary
Sadie
Sally
Sylvie
Willa
Winifred

 

If your sons have family middle names, I encourage you to give your daughter a family middle name as well. There is an odd thing in our society about boys’ names versus girls’ names; the most obvious example of it is the way it is not at all uncommon for boys to be named after their fathers but very rare for girls to be named after their mothers. Possibly in this case it’s just that you had some excellent male family members you very much wanted to honor and the family women are all kind of mediocre, or maybe the deal was to use one honor name from your husband’s side and one from your side and now you’re calling it a day to keep things even, or maybe there’s some other reason I wouldn’t be able to guess. But if the only reason is that this is a girl and the other two were boys, I recommend reconsidering—with the understanding that I mean, literally, “consider it again,” as opposed to “and don’t stop considering until you come down on the side of doing it my way.” Perhaps one of this baby’s middle names could be her mother’s middle name or maiden name. Or perhaps you could pick a name from the long list of names you love but can’t use because of family members having them: unless you dislike the family member and don’t WANT to honor them, this seems like a great way to handle a considerable list of love-but-can’t-use names.

 

 

Name update:

Hi,

I emailed recently seeking last minute advice on possible names for a baby sister for my two little boys Gus and Hugh.

Rose Paula Margaret Rusling arrived a little early on father’s day and has been a lovely present for the whole family.

We had not settled on a name prior to her arrival but very quickly agreed she was definitely a Rose.

The advice and feedback from yourself and swistle regulars was invaluable, especially to keep with the tradition of family middle names.

Paula is my mother in laws name and there were/are numerous close relatives with the middle name Maree (or spelling Marie), including Paula, my grandmother and my sister. I love the name Margaret and decided to use that variation instead of Maree to make a new tradition of my own.

Rose is currently 2 days old and is very cute with a (so far!) sweet little nature – the name suits her beautifully.

Thank you again,
Nicolette, David, Gus, Hugh and Rose

Baby Name to Consider: Fennec

Hi Swistle,

I am over the moon to finally have my own question after reading your blog for many years, albeit, it would be even better if I didn’t have a naming conundrum of my own but you get the point.

My boyfriend and I are expecting our first in November. We are in agreement on a girl’s name but when it comes to boy’s, I am finding myself drawn to a name I would never have thought I would actually consider!

For the longest time, my all time favourite boy’s name has been Ambrose, but I have always had difficulty pairing a middle name that I liked the flow of with the baby’s last- which will be Bobinson with an R.

Our second favourite name (and I say “our” because I am not really sure bf would have agreed to Ambrose) was Augustus but again, there are reasons why this name just doesn’t seem right for this baby.

Enter pregnancy dream #2 about said baby in which I referred to him as Fennec. That’s right- the name of the fox. First thing, I had never heard of this type of fox, I had to google the name when I woke up and found the association. Two, I think the name actually came from The Hunger Games’ Finnick but my dream brain changed it. I have always liked his name. Three, Fox is on my list as one of several nature names that I would have only put in the middle. Four, when I jokingly told my boyfriend what I had dreamt the baby’s name was, his answer was “I love that!”

So now we are kind of going with Fennec. Is this crazy? Are these pregnancy hormones at work? I would happily put it in the middle name spot but it feels perfect up front- with Ambrose in the middle.

And lastly, you might ask why not just go with Finnick? Two reasons, I don’t like the rare possibility it could be shortened to Nick and I don’t know if I am alright with naming a child a pop culture name with no other real history behind it.

Any thoughts on how you would feel to see a baby or adult Fennec? I think for short we could call him Fen (or Fenn). We don’t plan on sharing our naming preferences with anyone prior to the birth as I don’t share naming styles with them and would rather not defend any choices.

Looking forward to seeing what you and your readers think!

Cheers,
Jacqueline

 

I would not go with Finnick, either. I do like that it could be shortened to Finn, but it makes me think of the word finicky.

I am surprised to be saying it, but I think Fennec works. I pictured seeing it on a class list, and I would think, “Wow, THAT’S unusual!”—but it seems like a Real Name to me. That is, I would be thinking, “I wonder if that’s Norwegian?” and not “That’s a crazy thing to name a child.”

Plus, Fennec foxes are beyond adorable.

My other association is with Fezzik from The Princess Bride, but (1) that’s a highly positive association, and (2) it serves to make Fennec even more name-like, and (3) it is not even the same name, just a name with a similar rhythm/sound.

I looked it up in the Social Security data base, and I see there were 5 new baby boys given the name Fennec in 2015. There were none in the data base for the previous 5 years. I suspect the combination of The Hunger Games + the recent popularity of foxes may be leading other parents in the same direction. I searched online for “baby name Fennec,” and got a bunch of hits for discussions of the name on baby name sites.

If I were considering using the name, my main concern would be future sibling names, particularly brother names. If sibling-name coordination is one of your preferences, Fennec could be a hard act to coordinate.

Let’s have a poll to see what everyone else thinks. Remember that when we do Name to Consider posts, we’re not exactly discussing whether the name is to our own personal tastes (though that of course will factor in), but more whether we think it could work as a name. The comments section is a good place to expand/explain your vote. Particularly if you vote “definitely no,” we’d appreciate hearing why not: otherwise I tend to chalk those votes up to the phenomenon I’ve noticed where a certain small percentage will choose the contrary answer, no matter WHAT the question is (“Is Emily a stripper name?” – 1,073 no votes and 7 yes votes).

 

 

Name update:

Good morning Swistle,

Here is our update!

Thanks again to you and your readers for helping us with our boy’s name but in the end, we didn’t need it as we welcomed a beautiful baby girl to the world.

Fiammetta Noemi is the name we chose for her and we couldn’t be happier with it.

We’ll keep Fennec Ambrose on hold for next time 😉

Xo

Baby Name to Discuss: Cole for a Girl

Hi Swistle!

I have been reading your blog for about over a year now. My husband and I recently found out we’re expecting our first little one!! We still have a while to wait before we find out the gender but we have always talked about potential names!
We have always loved the name Cole for a baby girl. Her middle name would be Leann, a family name and definitively feminine.

Our only concern is future sibling names. If we name a baby girl a traditionally boy name, how can we find a name more masculine for her brother someday? When we pair any boy names we like with a sister named Cole we can’t decide if it sounds funny or not. Also, if Cole has a baby sister one day, are we stuck with naming her a traditionally boy (or at least unisex) name? Would Cole and “something very feminine” be funny as a sister sibling set?

We LOVE Cole! Just don’t want to have extra difficulty naming baby #2 when that time comes :)

I included our current top boy names for reference as well.

Lane
Jonah
Brooks
Mitch

We would appreciate your thoughts tremendously!!!

 

I think you’re wise to think about these issues ahead of time. There’s no rule that says you can’t have a pair of sisters named Cole and Isabella, or a sister-brother set named Cole and Addison, but I do think it makes things easier to go into it knowing ahead of time what your own priorities and preferences are.

I suggest starting by making a list of other names you like for girls (or taking a look at that list, if you already have one). If you end up with a list of Brandon, Brady, Finn, Owen, and Clarissa, we are all set: feminine names are outliers for you, and “boy names for girls” is your basic style. If, however, your list is Clarissa, Annabella, Madeleine, and Josephine, then “boy names for girls” are outliers for you, and using one of them may make you feel painted into a corner for future children if one of your preferences is for sibling names to coordinate.

In the United States in 2014, the name Cole was given to 9 new baby girls and 3,404 new baby boys. Every name has its own package deal of pros and cons and issues, and part of the package deal of giving the name Cole to a girl will be needing to regularly correct the assumption that she is a boy. It won’t even be the way it is with unisex names such as Cameron and Riley, where most people are aware that the name can be given to boys or girls; it will be more like the names Wesley (43 girls, 3,112 boys) and Miles (19 girls, 3,639 boys), where people assume boy without thinking about it.

Many parents enjoy this factor of surprise, and in fact it can be one of the main things they like about a name. So what I’d ask you, if we were sitting sipping coffee in my office, is do you think that describes the two of you? That is, is one of the things you like about the name Cole that it is “a boy’s name for a girl”? Or is it that you love the name Cole for a girl, but you’d be happier if Cole were considered a unisex name or a name for girls?

If your list is mostly “boy names for girls,” and a point in Cole’s favor is that it’s usually used for boys, then I think you’re all set: correcting people will be fun, and you will be able to find plenty of similar names for future daughters. (But I find myself hoping you have trouble and we can help; that would be a really fun list to make!) Perhaps you could give each daughter a traditionally-boy first name and a traditionally-girl middle name, as you’d be doing with the name Cole Leann. Brothers seem like less of an issue: I don’t think you could choose any name for a boy that would make it clear that Cole was a girl, and it’s common for parents to have a somewhat different naming style for daughters than for sons, so I think you could just go with your own preferences.

But if your list is mostly names traditionally used for girls, AND you’d like sibling names to coordinate, AND you would like the name Cole better if it were traditionally used for girls, then I am going to list some options you may very well have already thought of.

One option is to use Cole as the nickname for Colette. (You could also use it as a nickname for Nicole, Nicolette, or Colleen, but those names seem less current.)

Another option is to feminize the name: Coley, for example.

Another option is to see if you can pinpoint what it is you like about the name Cole, and look for traditionally-girl names that share those characteristics. It’s hard to give examples, since it will depend entirely on what characteristics you pinpoint, but here’s my attempt: Magnolia, Elle, Claire, Noelle, Paloma, Ione, Jolie, Joelle, Kay, Romy, Viola, Kaley, Lola, Nola, Zola.

Do you like Cole for a boy, or only for a girl? If you like it for boys as well, another option is to use it for a boy, either on its own or as a nickname for Coleman, Coleson, Nicholas, etc.

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle,
Sorry it’s taken so long to update!!! Little baby girl Kole Leann arrived in August! Her name fits her perfectly!! Your response and the replies from readers really helped us with our final decision. It prepared us for the responses some people may have and encourage us to go with our gut!

Thank you!!!

Baby Naming Issue: Is Dash Too Much Like DAESH?

Hello!

I’ve followed your blog for years, but having always been a name nerd myself I never really thought I’d need advice. Cliched, but true.

After 4.5 years of dealing with infertility, my husband and I are thrilled to be expecting a baby boy, due late January. Unfortunately, we ended up finding baby boy names challenging. So many of our friends have already had baby boys, which knocked many of my favorites (Caleb, Micah, Asher, Ezra) out of the running. Plus, my husband is quite particular about names, which eliminated some others (Milo, Jasper, Graham, Gilbert, Levi).

Fortunately, we found one name which we both not only agreed on, but loved–and are planning to name our little one Dashiell Alexander N. (Last name is Greek, 4 syllables, and appears in the Bible and the Rats of NIMH). It’s a bit of a mouthful, but it’s strong and striking, we think Dashiell would be a fine name for a judge or doctor, and we LOVE the nickname Dash. The name seems like a perfect combination of grown-up sophistication and a super-fun nickname that he can use if he wishes.

All was well, until yesterday, when we were driving to work and heard John Kerry on NPR, using the Arabic acronym for ISIS. Which, unbeknownst to us, is DAESH. And sounds just like Dash.

So. We LOVE the name. And DAESH doesn’t currently seem to be in super common usage–most people say ISIS or ISIL–and it’s spelled differently, of course. But would we be dooming our child to being associated with an awful terrorist group if we call him Dash?

Thanks in advance for any help you’re able to provide. We’ll be heartbroken if we have to go back to the drawing board, but I’d hate to inadvertently saddle our little guy with a name that has truly terrible associations. We haven’t shared the name with anyone in real life–and would prefer not to until he arrives–so an outside opinion would be very valuable.

Thank you!
R

 

I wish fervently that I could figure out how to get polls to work again, because I feel a poll would set your mind at ease. I am going to say back to you the things you already know and have just finished saying to me:

1. The child would live in a country that uses the term ISIS, not DAESH.

2. Dash would be only his nickname, and one he could stop using in a worst case scenario where our country suddenly started saying DAESH instead.

3. Dash and DAESH are spelled differently. To someone not familiar with the pronunciation of DAESH, it doesn’t look as if it were pronounced the same.

If you were expecting a girl and you were planning to name her Isis, I would indeed advise you to go back to the drawing board, no matter how much you loved the name. I would speak to you earnestly and with full sympathetic eye contact, saying I was so very sorry but that I believed this name was currently off the table. But Dashiell does not seem to me to belong in the same category. When you presented the problem, I didn’t get any little chills down my neck, or a sinking feeling in my stomach.

On the other hand, I just searched for DAESH online, and saw some articles about how ISIS is a term with unfair associations and how DAESH is a pleasingly mocking term as well as being more accurate. I can picture the United States deciding that combination is irresistible: I can imagine all the Facebook links to articles telling us we should say DAESH instead, and blog posts explaining it, and so forth. In THAT situation, where DAESH is the word we use…well, I suppose it could start to feel more like naming a girl Isis. I admit I am starting to get a slight sinking feeling in my stomach.

(I’ll be very interested to see what the name Isis does in the next couple of years. In 2014, there were 396 new baby girls given the name in the U.S., and I thought of it as a name rising with Isla and Iris. It seems very likely that usage will be significantly affected by recent events.)

I’m thinking aloud here, because I’m really not sure. ISIS/Isis is a MUCH MUCH stronger link to me than DAESH/Dashiell. But that’s because I’m familiar with the term ISIS, whereas this letter was my first exposure to the term DAESH. With time, my feelings could easily and considerably change.

I think if you decide to use Dashiell, it would be good to think ahead to the emergency exits, just in case. For example, if it were to turn out you could no longer use the nickname Dash, would that ruin the name for you, or would you still want to use the name Dashiell? In the worst case scenario, would you be okay with calling him by his middle name instead? Would it work to change the middle name to your second-choice boy name, just in case? Would you want to use Dashiell as the middle name? You could even still call him Dash.

I think if I were you I would let it simmer a bit. We’ll see what the comments section looks like, and that will give us more information to chew on (though one reason I miss the polls is that the results were often quite different than what the comments section would lead us to guess). Some of us may have information about the likeliness of the United States changing the term they use for the group. Some of us may already be familiar with the term DAESH, and can say if Dashiell now feels strange to them as a result. Some of us may have suggestions of similar names. Some of us may have empathetic stories to tell about names they lost to a current event of the time.

 

 

 

Name update!

Hello! So sorry it took me some time to update, but our little Dashiell Alexander was born in early February. People seem to love his nickname, and nobody that we know of has made any unsavory connections to ISIS. Thank you so much to you and your readers for all your input! It was so helpful!

Baby Name to Discuss: Isadora

I’m due in a couple months and am curious about the name Isadora. My husband and I love it as a fresh take on the popular Isabelle (he loves Isabelle, me not so much). I like that it’s unique (fairly uncommon) yet familiar and easy to pronounce.

Concerns:
• We would likely use the nickname Izzie. Do you think she will be one of many because of all the Isabella/Isabelle’s?
• Will she get “is a door” jokes. Not a deal breaker, but could get really annoying. We’ve mentioned the name to a few people and they’ve gone there. “When is a door not a door” “when it’s ajar”, etc…
• too close an association with the tragic death of Isadora Duncan? Or is that long enough ago that this generation will not have that association?
thanks!

 

1. I do think she will find herself among Isabella-Izzies, just as Adelines find themselves among Addison-Addies. But many Isabelles/Isabellas go by Bella, or by the full versions of their names. If the nickname Izzie bothers her for its popularity or for the way some people will mistakenly assume her full name is Isabella, she can go by a different nickname or by Isadora. This seems like a good issue to consider ahead of time, in case you think it will bother you too much to want to use the name, but not something that has to be a deal-breaker.

2. I do think some people will make the door joke. I think they will stop when her name is more familiar to them. It seems unlikely that the same people would make the joke over and over again, since it isn’t very funny. But each person who is inclined toward that sort of humor will make the joke once. Again, I’d say good to consider it ahead of time to be prepared for it, but it doesn’t have to rule out the name.

3. I had to look up Isadora Duncan. The name was familiar to me, but without a tragic-death association. Since she died in 1927, I don’t think there’s any “too soon” danger here. The main issue is that the name is so unusual; I’d say we don’t, for example, need to worry about Natalie Wood‘s tragic death when we use the much more common name Natalie. I am hoping that in the comments section we’ll get a good idea of whether other people leap right to that association or not—and, if they do, whether they think it means the name shouldn’t be used.

 

I’m encouraged by the increasing number of baby girls named Isadora in the United States:

1989: 12
1994: 24
1999: 31
2004: 74
2009: 119
2014: 167

It’s still in no way a common name, but the increasing usage will, I think, reduce the second two issues you raise.

Baby Boy or Girl, Poolick-with-a-D, Sibling to Marshall and Andrew

Okay, Swistle. I really need your help. We’ve made zero headway on our baby’s name and he/she is due in less than 3 weeks. I have two boys named Marshall David and Andrew Jefferson. We don’t know the gender of this baby.

Here are my only specifics:

1. No nicknames.
2. No names that start with “M” or “A.”
3. I like honor names.

For a boy, we have a few options: Conley Asher, Bennett Conley, or Bennett Eli. Conley is my mom’s maiden name. Asher is after my sister Ashley. Eli is after my mother-in-law. Bennett because I just love the name and meaning. What do you think sounds best with Marshall and Andrew? Brooks is family name too, but I am afraid that Brooks doesn’t sound good with our last name (rhymes with Poolick, but starts with a “D”).

For a girl, we are lost. Names we’ve considered:

1. Charlotte Elizabeth. When Duchess Kate used Charlotte Elizabeth for her daughter, I started to reconsider. Do you think it will become outrageously popular? Charlotte and Elizabeth are both honor names. Plus, a cousin who is due after me told me this is her name for a girl before I could say that it’s been our list since we had Marshall four years ago. So, I am not sure what to do with that.
2. Grace Elizabeth. Both honor names. It seems a bit boring/vanilla.
3. Eleanor Kate. My husband’s family is from New England so I am nervous she’ll be called “Elean-nah” and not “Eleanor.” I don’t like that.
4. Conley Elizabeth. I am not just sure if Conley can be used on a girl. Kind of leaning towards Conley right now.

Other honor names: Brooks, James, Conley, Carson, Charles, Footer, Kelly

Other names we considered: Lucy, Eliza, Jillian, Emma, Caroline, Sawyer, Eli, Jack

Any names we missed? Any suggestions? HELP!

Thanks in advance.

Kate

 

 

Name update!

Swistle,

We had a baby boy. Thank you to all of the avid readers of your blog for helping us with his name. Bennett Conley arrived 15 days late at a healthy 7 lbs 11oz. We love his name! His big brothers adore him and love to be helpers! Thanks again. Kate

Baby Name to Consider: Ferris

Hi Swistle,

I have recently fell in love with the name Ferris. I think it’s fun and spunky and mischevious and that’s exactly the personality I’ve seen from our baby whilst in utero. It’s rare, unusual name without sounding too bizarre to our older relatives. I think Ferris John M@rino the perfect name for our child, if our child is a boy.

While my husband also loves the name Ferris, he’s concerned about the association with Ferris Bueller and that our child will get “Bueller? Bueller?” for his whole life and that people will think we named our baby after a movie character. I don’t think the Bueller connection is a bad one. I actually think it’s kind of fun! And we do love the character and the movie and the idea of slowing down and enjoying the world around you. I totally get that our child will hear about Ferris Bueller from my generation and older, I don’t see that as a bad thing.

My husband prefers the name Lindon John M@rino, which I also like but it doesn’t have the same sparkle and excitement to me. My heart is set on Ferris – How can I convince him??

For reference, if the baby is a girl, she will be Ruby Diane. My name is Meredith and my husband is Jay. Other names that we liked but eventually decided against for boys are: Shepard, Perry, Calvin, Cameron, Brooks, Ian, Darcy and Edwin.

Baby M@rino is due in 4 weeks. Please help Swistle!

Thank you!
Meredith

 

I have an instant, strong, positive, nearly exclusive association with Ferris Bueller. I also think of Ferris wheels.

Although the association is positive, a quick field test at my house showed a nearly universal impulse to say “Bueller?… Bueller?” in that familiar flat Ben Stein voice. Paul also immediately said, “Save Ferris!” I do think those knee-jerk movie-quote reactions could get tiresome.

As an aside, re-reading this post, I realized it’s interesting the association is positive. It’s a tribute to the charm of the actor and character that a movie in which a person repeatedly ditches his obligations, lies to and manipulates his parents (so successfully and so long-term that they think they have a completely different kid), pressures and manipulates others to do things against their will, steals a car, takes over a parade in a successful yet behavior-worrisome way, etc., still ends up leaving an impression about slowing down and enjoying life. It’s that famous quote, I think, the one that so many people used (and probably still use) under their senior pictures.

I think if I were set on the name, I might consider it as a perfect fun middle name. John Ferris M@rino is handsome. You could even call him John Ferris: I think double names are fun, and can spruce up a name such as John.

Or you could just go with it, accepting the mentioned downsides as part of the package deal of the name. “YES, after the guy in the movie: we love him, and we love the whole message of that movie.” “Yes. Ha ha. Bueller. I see what you did there.”

 

 

Name update!

Dear Swistle,

Thank you so much for helping with our naming dilemma! You and the commentors were so helpful and encouraging. We had not considered hyphenating our son’s name like you suggested but in the end, it made perfect sense.

Our son, John-Ferris Edwin, was born on June 28, 2015.

We have received so many compliments on his name and very few Ferris Bueller comments.

Thank you Swistle!

Meredith

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Name to Discuss: Faye

Hi Swistle!

A name I’ve recently stumbled upon/remembered is Faye. I think it’s adorable- short and sweet and with a very cute meaning (fairy). But when I think about the name’s style, I can’t really figure it out. I tend to like more traditional names and I’m not sure where Faye works into that. My favorites currently are: Eloise, Georgia, Josephine, Constance, Susannah, and Jane. What sort of naming style do you think Faye falls under? Thanks so much!

Best,
Lynn

 

Oh, interesting. It’s an older name, but it’s not exactly what I think of when I think “vintage revival.” And it’s not what I’d call classic or traditional, but it’s definitely familiar in a pleasant long-term way. It makes me think of Faye Dunaway, so it has a strong measure of 1960s Hollywood Glamour—the pantsuited red-lipsticked type more than the twirly dress type, fedoras more than tiaras. The name Faye has a soft light sound, but not weak or wispy; a Faye could poke a big strong scary guy in the chest and KEEP poking him, talking fast and fierce the whole time, until he backed up nervously.

I also think of the author Fay Weldon, which gives it a pleasing creative/writerly/British feel.

One possibly negative association I have is with the word fey, which means unnaturally whimsical or strange. But I don’t actually think of it unless I’m sitting here thinking, “Hm, hm, Faye Faye Faye, hm, hm….,” as I did when thinking about it for this post. If I met a woman or little girl named Faye, I don’t think the word fey would come to my mind at all. And I think for most of the population, fey is an unused word at this point: it’s in my reading vocabulary, but it isn’t as if I regularly use it in conversation. And I wonder if Tina Fey will help to balance this.

Let’s consult the expert on style categories, The Baby Name Wizard. She’s got the name Faye in these categories: Brisk and Breezy, Guys and Dolls, and Solid Citizens. Guys and Dolls, definitely: that’s the chest-poking and fedoras. Solid Citizens, maybe—but I think the image of the name may be shifting.

I’ve noticed the name Mae/May coming up much more often around here. I’d like to see more Kay/Kaye, because I think it’s so pretty, but it’s hard for me to get past the way it sounds like an initial. I don’t think Gay is ever coming back, and we’re not quite ready for another round of Jay and Ray, but Faye has a fresh sound all of a sudden. I’d put it with names such as Pearl and June and Rose. Oh! I know what category I might add it to in The Baby Name Wizard: Charms and Graces. It goes beautifully with names such as Ruby, Dahlia, Fern, Hazel, Ivy, Olive, and Violet, and here also are the aforementioned Pearl and June and Rose.

Looking at it with the names you like, I’d say it’s not quite the same style (except perhaps for Constance), but that it’s a nicely compatible style: sisters named Faye and Eloise make sense to me, as do sisters named Faye and Josephine, or Faye and Georgia.

I suspect we’ll see it first as a middle name, the way we’re seeing Mae and Pearl. That makes it a lot harder to track, since the Social Security Administration doesn’t give us access to that information. We’ll have to go on things such as how often we notice it on a parent’s name list, or how often it’s mentioned as a sibling’s middle name.

Speaking of the Social Security Administration, let’s see how the name is ranking. I dislike the new charts, which don’t show GAPS. I mean, look at this:

(screen shot from SSA.gov)

(screen shot from SSA.gov)

If you just glanced at that chart, you’d think Faye was in a long decline. But no: it dropped out of the Top 1000 after 1979 and then, on the very next line, we’ve skipped to the year 2014, the first appearance of Faye in the Top 1000 in 34 years! It WAS in a long decline; now it is BACK. And yet the departure year and arrival year are right next to each other, as if in subsequent years.

I didn’t include the whole chart because it’s enormous: Faye was in the Top 1000 from 1900 (the first year we can now access for this charting feature) until 1973. It was bouncing around in the high 100s and low 200s, nice and steady, no sudden movements, until 1958 when it hit the 300s and kept going: 400s as of 1962, 500s as of 1965, and so on until it left completely after 1979. (I wonder if Tammy Faye Bakker had anything to do with that, or if it was just its natural time?)

It’s interesting that it is back, just as we’re noticing it again. This is that phenomenon, I think, where as a society we drift toward certain names and certain sounds.

Baby Name to Consider: Franklin for a Girl

Swistle,

First, I’ve been a lover of baby names since I was a little girl (I’m 26) and your blog has helped me see that I am not alone in this hobby. I say hobby because I have no plans to have a baby in the next couple years. Although I have helped a friend or two name their babies, so it has been helpful, at least.

Anyways, I was watching Marvel’s Daredevil last night and loved that Nelson is nicknamed Foggy, by way of Franklin. And I thought how fun to name your son Franklin and then come up with Foggy. It’s weird, but I’m kind of loving it!

So, I’m writing it down on paper to see what it’d look like and all that jazz… And instead of seeing Franklin, I saw Frank-lin. And that got me thinking, is Franklin useable for a girl’s name?? And once I got thinking, I had to send an email to see what you thought?!

I realize it’s probably a strong male name for most people, maybe even myself. But I wonder… it’s got the appeal of being a surname name (which is all the rage now), girls are already named and nicknamed Frankie, and it ends in Lin/Lynn (which could give her another option if she dislikes it which she’s older).

So I know this is not your typical Q/A but I really hope you post it. I’d love to hear what you and the readers think.

Thank you,
Natasha

 

I’m split: half of me is saying, “Oh, yeah, I can see it: kind of like what happened with Lachlan/Locklyn, and the -lin ending could definitely sound more like a girl name (Madelyn, Katelyn, Carolyn, a million others), and I don’t see why not!” And the other half of me is saying, “Noooooooooooooooo!”

Let’s see what’s happening with the name’s current usage. The Social Security Administration reports that in 2013, there were 545 new baby boys named Franklin; it isn’t in the data base at all for girls. But let’s check spellings that use a Y, a common feminizing technique: in 2013, there were 20 new baby boys named Franklyn, but it still isn’t in the data base for girls. Even names such as Joshua and Robert are in the data base for SOME girls (13 and 8 respectively in 2013), so I think it is safe to say that the name Franklin is currently used nearly exclusively for boys in the United States.

I think it could be used for a girl, but that it would make a strong, strong statement, similar to naming a girl Joshua (soft sounds and an -a ending like so many girl names) or Robert (girls already named and nicknamed Bobbi and Robin). Unless the usage changed, she would spend her entire life dealing with paperwork errors and surprised/confused reactions at a much higher rate than average; not an enormous deal at all for someone who liked that, but a burden/bore for someone who didn’t (or for someone who enjoyed it the first thousand times but then wearied of it). If on the other hand, the usage DID change, and Franklin/Franklyn became a unisex name, it would be a different story and I’d have a different opinion.

For me, Franklin fails the “Would I want this name myself?” test, even though I love the name Franklin, love the nickname Frankie for Frances or Francesca, and don’t mind regularly needing to spell my name for people. Part of the appeal of boyish nicknames for feminine names, I think, is that it’s a individualizing choice: the feeling is that it’s a bit of a rebellion against a feminine name or traditional path. “My parents tried to name me something frilly and girly, but that’s not me!” Swapping that option, so that the rebellious choice is choosing a feminine, traditional nickname, feels less exciting.

It fits with a current trend for celebrity baby names: recent baby girls have been named Maxwell, Lincoln, Owen, Wyatt, and James.

I think it would make sibling names challenging. Sister names wouldn’t be too difficult (Maxwell, Lincoln, Owen, Wyatt, and James would all fit the style), but what would be a good brother name for a girl named Franklin?

I’d love to see the name Franklin get more popular for boys, and I’d also love to see Frances and Francesca get more popular for girls. So although half of me thinks Franklin for a girl is a justifiable decision, and a creative and interesting choice if shock value is one of your naming preferences (and that IS a familiar naming preference), the other half of me thinks there are other great established choices that are still pleasingly surprising without being so startling and potentially difficult. If you did use it, I would recommend spelling it Franklyn to assist the Lyn/Lynnie nickname.