{"id":8867,"date":"2014-05-05T08:36:57","date_gmt":"2014-05-05T12:36:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/?p=8867"},"modified":"2014-05-05T08:46:46","modified_gmt":"2014-05-05T12:46:46","slug":"baby-girl-self-sister-to-hanna-james-and-arty","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2014\/05\/05\/baby-girl-self-sister-to-hanna-james-and-arty\/","title":{"rendered":"Baby Girl Self, Sister to Hanna, James, and Arty"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>S. writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I hope you choose my question, because I am seriously at my wits end. My husband and I are expecting our fourth child, a girl. We are that crazy couple that picked out names before we conceived, and with the first three it worked perfectly. We have Hanna Elise, James Lee (named after both our mothers) and Arty Nathaniel. We decided some time ago that we both liked Abigail, but we never could settle on a middle name. My husband would like to use Abigail as the middle name, still using it as the primary name, and put the secondary name first (he goes by his middle name, Brady, so it is not strange to him, but I really don&#8217;t like this suggestion). Our last name Self is so short, that I cannot find a middle name that flows well that we both like. My husband would prefer a one syllable middle name (because our last name is one syllable) if we put Abigail first. His top pick was Livia Abigail Self. It is pretty on paper and flows alright, but I think most people would think Livia was a nickname, AND it still pushes Abigail into weird second place. I like names with lovely meanings, and I would love a soft, gentle, feminine name. My top picks were: Emmeline, Irene, Cora, Rosalie\/Rosaline, Amalie, Ella&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I agree with my husband that none of these sound great with Abigail first, but I am having trouble finding soft, feminine, classic yet not boring names with one syllable.<\/p>\n<p>If you could offer any suggestions I would be very grateful!!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Some of your husband&#8217;s preferences are puzzling me. I would in fact avoid one-syllable middle names with a one-syllable surname because of the potential for a choppy sound, but that can just be a matter of personal preference. What puzzles me is that he wants a one-syllable middle name only if the first name is Abigail and not if it&#8217;s Livia, when Livia and Abigail have the same rhythm; and he&#8217;s campaigning to have Abigail, which is not one syllable, used as the middle name. It seems like it&#8217;s setting up this kind of loop:<\/p>\n<p>1. Abigail can be in the first-name position, but only with a one-syllable middle name.<br \/>\n2. None of the one-syllable names work.<br \/>\n3. So we have to put the first name in the middle-name position.<br \/>\n4. But you don&#8217;t want that, even though your husband does.<br \/>\n5. So you have to look for a one-syllable middle name that works.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It seems that he would like the solution to be &#8220;So we have to put Abigail as the middle name.&#8221; But you don&#8217;t like that idea. So I&#8217;d cut through this fruitless cycle by making two new rules for the name search:<\/p>\n<p>1. The first name will be put in the first-name position.<br \/>\n2. The middle name doesn&#8217;t have to be only one syllable.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If your husband&#8217;s top pick is Livia Abigail Self, then it seems to me like the choice that makes the most sense is to name her Abigail Livia Self, which has the same rhythm but puts the first name more conveniently in the first-name position. Another that would work with a slightly different rhythm is Abigail Olivia Self.<\/p>\n<p>(Before we go any further, I want to make a note that with initials A._.S., I&#8217;m going to be avoiding all middle names starting with S.)<\/p>\n<p>With the rhythm of Abigail ______ Self, I also like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2011\/02\/06\/four-syllable-girl-names-with-the-emphasis-on-the-second-syllable\/\">four-syllable names with the emphasis on the second syllable<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Abigail Cordelia Self<br \/>\nAbigail Elizabeth Self<br \/>\nAbigail Emilia Self<br \/>\nAbigail Felicity Self<br \/>\nAbigail Livinia Self<br \/>\nAbigail Magnolia Self<br \/>\nAbigail Penelope Self<br \/>\nAbigail Veronica Self<br \/>\nAbigail Victoria Self<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I disagree that none of the names on your list sound right with Abigail first. Abigail Irene Self, Abigail Emmeline Self, Abigail Rosaline Self&#8212;all of those sound good to me. Your surname is a challenging one (especially combined with another strong L-sound in the first name), and unless you&#8217;ve found you routinely call your children by all three names, it seems like an issue that comes up during the naming process and not afterward. Mostly she will be either Abigail Self or maybe Abigail MiddleName if that&#8217;s something you tend to do in your family, but not Abigail MiddleName Self to anyone except her paperwork.<\/p>\n<p>I also like the sound of 2-syllable middle names with the emphasis on the second syllable (your choice of Irene is perfect for this), but many of them have strong L sounds that seemed like too much L with the first name and surname (Noelle, Lucille), or start with S (Simone), or have too much S-sound with the surname (Cecile), or seem like they belong to an earlier generation (Nicole), or might feel overused as middle names (Marie).<\/p>\n<p>Abigail Celeste Self<br \/>\nAbigail Eileen Self<br \/>\nAbigail Louise Self<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If you both agree that one-syllable middle names are best:<\/p>\n<p>Abigail Eve Self<br \/>\nAbigail Jade Self<br \/>\nAbigail Jane Self<br \/>\nAbigail Jean Self<br \/>\nAbigail June Self<br \/>\nAbigail Kaye Self<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A few more possibilities:<\/p>\n<p>Abigail Clarissa Self<br \/>\nAbigail Eleni Self<br \/>\nAbigail Eliza Self<br \/>\nAbigail Ellery Self<br \/>\nAbigail Fiona Self<br \/>\nAbigail Josephine Self<br \/>\nAbigail Julia Self<br \/>\nAbigail Katherine Self<br \/>\nAbigail Linnea Self<br \/>\nAbigail Marian Self<br \/>\nAbigail Miranda Self<br \/>\nAbigail Naomi Self<br \/>\nAbigail Rebecca Self<br \/>\nAbigail Violet Self<br \/>\nAbigail Vivienne Self<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>S. writes: I hope you choose my question, because I am seriously at my wits end. My husband and I are expecting our fourth child, a girl. We are that crazy couple that picked out names before we conceived, and with the first three it worked perfectly. We have Hanna Elise, James Lee (named after [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8867","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3iyiG-2j1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8867"}],"version-history":[{"count":16,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8888,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867\/revisions\/8888"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8867"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8867"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8867"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}