{"id":7414,"date":"2013-04-11T09:18:38","date_gmt":"2013-04-11T13:18:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/?p=7414"},"modified":"2013-04-12T11:51:36","modified_gmt":"2013-04-12T15:51:36","slug":"baby-boy-or-girl-berrisf0rd-sibling-to-maxwell-and-vivian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2013\/04\/11\/baby-boy-or-girl-berrisf0rd-sibling-to-maxwell-and-vivian\/","title":{"rendered":"Baby Boy or Girl Berrisf0rd, Sibling to Maxwell and Vivian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Kim writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m writing for help again with a name for our third child (you helped us with our second <a href=\"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2009\/09\/24\/baby-girl-sister-to-max\/\">here<\/a>), due in July. We have chosen not to find out the gender this time around, but I feel pretty sure we are set on a name for a boy, so I&#8217;m mostly looking for help with a girl&#8217;s name.<\/p>\n<p>Our last name is Berrisf0rd. Our son is Maxwell Lucas and our daughter is Vivian Josephine, nearly always called Max and Vivi.<\/p>\n<p>For boys names, I like Eli, Miles or Milo, and Leo. Eli is the only one my husband likes, so as of now, that is the choice, possibly with the middle name Thomas.<\/p>\n<p>I tend to like names that were most popular in the 1910s\/1920s. Because we use &#8220;Vivi&#8221; so much as a nickname, I do not want a third name that ends in the &#8220;ee&#8221; sound as well.<\/p>\n<p>For girls names, our current list is:<\/p>\n<p>Kate &#8211; we both like this one, which makes it an obvious contender&#8230; BUT. I&#8217;m worried it is too popular. I like it as a nickname, however I don&#8217;t love Katherine, and Katelyn seems a bit new-ish to me as far as style. Just using Kate as the first name would work I suppose, but it seems choppy to me with any middle names I&#8217;ve tried.<\/p>\n<p>Ada &#8211; this one is growing on me. My husband likes Ava, but we know a few Avas, plus have a lot of &#8220;v&#8221; going on with Vivi, so I suggested it as an alternative. It&#8217;s also the name of a place my husband vacationed as a child, which is a nice association.<\/p>\n<p>Lila or Lily &#8211; I like Lila. My husband likes Lily better, but I still don&#8217;t know if I like the pair of &#8216;ee&#8217; sounds at the end. Do you think I&#8217;m worried too much about how the names pair together? We don&#8217;t know that we&#8217;ll always call her Vivi, when she gets older it may be Vivian or Viv.<\/p>\n<p>Serena &#8211; My husband added this one to the list, and I think it&#8217;s pretty. It feels long to me though, and I&#8217;m not sure how I&#8217;d shorten it for a nickname &#8211; Seri? Rena?<\/p>\n<p>Brooke &#8211; we both like this one quite a bit. But, is it totally out of place style-wise? I do like the alliteration.<\/p>\n<p>Other names I like the style of, but likely wouldn&#8217;t use for various reasons, are Nora, Cora, Camila, and Grace.<\/p>\n<p>For a middle name, if it&#8217;s possible with the first we end up choosing, I&#8217;d like to use Yvonne after my maternal grandmother. Vivi is named after my husband&#8217;s grandmother and my paternal grandmother, and Yvonne is the only grandparent that is still living, so I&#8217;d like to use the honor name if I can. I&#8217;d be open to other suggestions if it doesn&#8217;t fit, though.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d love to hear any thoughts about our list or any other suggestions we may not have thought of. Thanks!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Kate can also be short for Katrina or Katerina, and that&#8217;s the direction I think I&#8217;d go: similar to both Kate and Serena. Katrina Berrisf0rd; Maxwell, Vivian, and Katrina; Max, Vivi, and Kate. But do you think you might start calling her Katie, and would that bother you since it&#8217;s another -ee ending?<\/p>\n<p>Kate and Ada have a similar sound to me, so I wonder if we might find more names similar to those. Jade and Jada have the right sound, but don&#8217;t seem like the right style. Jane would work well, and I love Jane Berrisf0rd so much&#8212;simple and stylish. But is it too simple with Vivian? I don&#8217;t THINK it is. Maxwell, Vivian, and Jane; Max, Vivi, and Jane. But as with Kate\/Katie, there is the possibility of Janie.<\/p>\n<p>Or I think Kay\/Kaye would work wonderfully. Kaye Berrisf0rd is lovely, and there&#8217;s no way to put an -ie on it. It&#8217;s much less common than Kate, and goes well with Vivian in style. Max, Vivi, and Kaye seems stunning to me. The main issue is that it doesn&#8217;t have a nickname like the others, but I think that would be okay. If your family is like mine, you may find that you make nicknames by adding rather than subtracting: at my house she&#8217;d be called Kaye Marie, Kaye Louise, Kaye-Bay, Kaye-la-la, etc.<\/p>\n<p>I worry too about how names will go together. I try to stop myself from OVER-worrying (as people have pointed out, when we&#8217;re adults many people don&#8217;t even know our siblings&#8217; names), but on the other hand you and your family will be thinking of them and talking about them as a group all their lives&#8212;and a big early chunk of those lives will be spent living in the same house and knowing the same people. To me, Vivi and Lily are too similar for comfort: not only do they have the exact same set of vowel sounds in the same order and with the same emphasis, but both of them have repeating consonants (two V&#8217;s for Vivi, two L&#8217;s for Lily). This is not to say you shouldn&#8217;t use them: if you were writing to say that the two of you loved the name Lily above all others and it was the perfect name in every way except the Vivi\/Lily combination, I would be reassuring you that it was not a big deal and shouldn&#8217;t stop you. It&#8217;s important to me, for example, that Vivi is the nickname and Lily would be the given name: they&#8217;re not really Vivi and Lily, but rather Vivian and Lily&#8212;possibly to be called Vivi and Lil, or Viv and Lily, or Vivian and LeeLee, or who KNOWS what they&#8217;ll go by. So if you decide Lily is The Name, I&#8217;d encourage you to go for it.<\/p>\n<p>Lila does make a significant difference in similarity: no more matching vowels. And while Lily Yvonne probably doesn&#8217;t work, Lila Yvonne probably does.<\/p>\n<p>If Lila isn&#8217;t quite right, there&#8217;s also Isla and Twila\/Twyla.<\/p>\n<p>I want to suggest another name, but I&#8217;ve had very little luck getting others on board with it. It&#8217;s Millicent, with the nickname Milly. Vivian and Millicent; Vivi and Milly.<\/p>\n<p>Another option is Matilda, with the nickname Tilly. Vivian and Matilda; Vivi and Tilly.<\/p>\n<p>I like Serena because it matches Vivian in letters and syllables&#8212;but I agree with you that then it feels like it also ought to match by having a nickname. Ree would work, or you could see what evolved naturally. I think too that Serena is a name that goes to more like 2.5 syllables with frequent usage: when I&#8217;m sounding it out I say it sah-ree-nah, but if I imagine directing a child getting ready for school (&#8220;Serena, do you have your lunch? Serena, go back and put on more appropriate shoes. Serena, it&#8217;s 5 minutes until the bus, finish your breakfast&#8221;) I think it would be more like S&#8217;rena.<\/p>\n<p>Or Selina is a similar name but with the natural nickname Lina. Sally might evolve from it, too.<\/p>\n<p>Brooke feels like a style clash to me. I think it would go okay with Max, but not with Max and Vivian.<\/p>\n<p>Ada is my favorite from the list. It seizes me the way Vivian did when you wrote last time: it&#8217;s as if it leaps out from the list as the choice I want to be careful not to be too pushy about. Ada Yvonne Berrisf0rd; Max, Vivi, and Ada. As with Kaye, the issue is the lack of nickname; at my house she&#8217;d be Adabelle, Ada Marie, Ada Louise, Ada St. Claire, Ada May, Adie-cakes, etc.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s have a poll! The list is a bit long, and it was tricky to decide what to include, but I think it&#8217;ll still be helpful. [Sigh: I keep trying to arrange it how I want it, but now &#8220;I can&#8217;t decide&#8221; is alphabetical instead of at the end. OH WELL.]<\/p>\n<p>[yop_poll id=&#8221;4&#8243;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kim writes: I&#8217;m writing for help again with a name for our third child (you helped us with our second here), due in July. We have chosen not to find out the gender this time around, but I feel pretty sure we are set on a name for a boy, so I&#8217;m mostly looking for [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7414","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3iyiG-1VA","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7414","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7414"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7414\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7425,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7414\/revisions\/7425"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7414"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7414"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7414"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}