{"id":7111,"date":"2009-01-19T21:46:00","date_gmt":"2009-01-20T01:46:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2009\/01\/19\/baby-boy-or-girl-moe-zhur\/"},"modified":"2009-01-19T21:46:00","modified_gmt":"2009-01-20T01:46:00","slug":"baby-boy-or-girl-moe-zhur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2009\/01\/19\/baby-boy-or-girl-moe-zhur\/","title":{"rendered":"Baby Boy or Girl MOE-zhur"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Arwen writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>My husband and I have a Boy Name Issue.<\/p>\n<p>When I was pregnant with our daughter who is now two, we didn&#8217;t find out her sex before she was born.  We also found ourselves completely unable to agree on a single boy name we both liked.  I was in labor and we were still trying to think of a name!  We would have been in such big trouble if our daughter had been a boy instead!<\/p>\n<p>Fortunately she is a girl, and her name is Camilla Claire.  Camilla is a name I&#8217;ve always loved, which was pushed to the top of our list when my husband&#8217;s grandmother, who was called Camilla, died two months before our girl was born.  Our last name is pronounced MOE-zhur and I love the whole combination of our daughter&#8217;s name.  Two years later I&#8217;m still very happy with it.<\/p>\n<p>But now I am 38 weeks pregnant with baby #2.  We&#8217;ve got a list of girl names and we&#8217;ll be fine if this baby is a girl, but if it&#8217;s a boy, we&#8217;re back to square one.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is, I have two naming priorities that seem to be at odds with one another.<\/p>\n<p>1) It&#8217;s important to me that sibling names fit with each other.  I don&#8217;t care so much about them *sounding* good together, as much as being in the same general category.  My mom calls this the &#8220;Bailey and Alessandra&#8221; problem &#8211; if you name one of your kids a gender-neutral modern name like Bailey, you can&#8217;t give a sibling an ultra-feminine romantic name like Alessandra.  It&#8217;s just&#8230; wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Since we&#8217;ve gone the strong-gendered, slightly-old-fashioned route with Camilla&#8217;s name, I&#8217;d like to stick with that as a general theme.  But I don&#8217;t care, like I said, about the names sounding good together.  For instance, if the name Lillian were a name we liked, we&#8217;d use it even though &#8220;Camilla and Lillian&#8221; sounds a little weird because of all the &#8220;ill&#8221;.  We&#8217;re hoping to have a lot of kids, so I&#8217;m considering the sibling-names-are-like-a-poem a lost cause from the outset.<\/p>\n<p>2)  Unfortunately, a lot of the names that I think of as being in the same general category as Camilla are getting really popular.  William, for instance (although William itself is not a favorite of mine.)  And it&#8217;s important to me that all our children&#8217;s names be relatively unpopular.  My name, Arwen, is incredibly unusual and I&#8217;ve always loved having an unusual name.  I&#8217;m the oldest of six and four of my siblings have names as unusual as mine, but I also have a brother named Brandon.  My parents didn&#8217;t realize the name was popular when they used it, but poor Brandon has always complained about being different in his own family, just because he has a name that people have heard before.  I really want to avoid a situation like this with any of our children.  It&#8217;s why we decided not to go the really-unusual route with our kids&#8217; names, even though there were a couple we liked, because there were ONLY a couple we liked and I wanted to avoid a situation like my parents inadvertently created.  So it&#8217;s a priority for us that our kids&#8217; names not be in the top 300 or so &#8211; in my ideal, the reaction people would have to all our kids&#8217; names is the reaction they have to Camilla &#8211; they&#8217;ve heard the name before, but don&#8217;t usually know anyone who shares it.  (Not that I care so much about what other people think about the name, I&#8217;m just giving my definition of the level of popularity we&#8217;re going for.)<\/p>\n<p>Now, you can see the dilemma, right?  It seems like ALL of the names I think of as classic boys&#8217; names are in the top 300.  Daniel, Christopher, James, William.  Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, for that matter.  If you look at the same general popularity level as Camilla&#8217;s name (#822 in 2006, the year she was born, although that&#8217;s a little misleading because Camila and Camille were more popular) you get boy names like Prince and Jaron, Alden and Adonis.  Perfectly fine names all, but not exactly the classics we&#8217;re going for.<\/p>\n<p>So what I&#8217;m hoping is that you can help me find some names that are classic-ish and not too common that we could use for a boy.  They don&#8217;t have to be names your grandfather would have been named, as long as they sound like names your grandfather could have been named.  I know there must be something out there, and if anyone knows how to find it, you do!<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re not worried about middle names &#8211; we are not picky about middle names and will have no trouble finding a harmonious match once we&#8217;ve got the first name sorted out.  The name should sound good with our last name, though, which leaves out names with long Os and names that end in -er.  Otherwise, the sky&#8217;s the limit!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I KNOW, RIGHT??  It&#8217;s a terrible problem, and one of the reasons boy names are such a challenge.  Well, let&#8217;s see if we can find something anyway.  I&#8217;m doing this the manual way:  I&#8217;m going to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ssa.gov\/OACT\/babynames\/\">Social Security baby names website<\/a>, calling up the Top 1000 names for 2007, starting at 300 and working toward 1000.  As I looked at each name, I screened it:<\/p>\n<p>1)  Is it a name that&#8217;s familiar to me?  If yes, move to second screening test; if no, reject.<\/p>\n<p>2)  Does it sound like it could have been a few generations back in my family tree?  If yes, move to third screening test; if no, reject.<\/p>\n<p>3)  Is it a name I LIKE, or a name I think I&#8217;m READY to like?  If yes, add to list; if no, reject.<\/p>\n<p>So you can see that if each of the readers of this blog went through the same process, we&#8217;d all wind up with very different lists:  a small tweak of the family tree or a small tweak in geographical region or a small tweak in naming tastes, and suddenly we have a radically different list.  But onward!  Here&#8217;s my list:<\/p>\n<p>Saul, #309<br \/>Silas, #346<br \/>Albert, #371<br \/>Russell, #408<br \/>Franklin, #470<br \/>Warren, #514<br \/>Gideon, #528<br \/>Frederick, #531<br \/>Alfred, #742<br \/>Conrad, #815<br \/>Karl, #862  (the spelling Carl is #450; combined, they&#8217;d be about #368)<\/p>\n<p>My favorite is Karl, which sounds great with MOE-zhur and with Camilla.  I also like Franklin MOE-zhur and Frederick MOE-zhur; Camilla and Franklin, Camilla and Frederick.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll put a poll over to the right to see what everyone else thinks.  [Poll closed; see below.]<\/p>\n<p><span>Edit:<\/span>  Okay, so while I was laboring over this post, Arwen was laboring over a LABOR:  she had the baby and named him Blaise Alexander, and holy bersneezes but I need to CATCH UP with the BACKLOG so that I am not GIVING ADVICE while people are GIVING BIRTH.  Let&#8217;s keep the voting going anyway, even though it won&#8217;t apply to Baby Blaise:  future babies may benefit from their parents knowing what the popular opinion is of these names.<\/p>\n<p><span>Poll results<\/span> (234 votes total):<br \/>Saul:  11 votes, roughly 5%<br \/>Silas:  54 votes, roughly 23%<br \/>Albert:  3 votes, roughly 1%<br \/>Russell:  15 votes, roughly 6%<br \/>Franklin:  33 votes, roughly 14%<br \/>Warren:  17 votes, roughly 7%<br \/>Gideon:  29 votes, roughly 12%<br \/>Frederick:  42 votes, roughly 18%<br \/>Alfred:  3 votes, roughly 1%<br \/>Conrad:  16 votes, roughly 7%<br \/>Karl:  11 votes, roughly 5%<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Arwen writes: My husband and I have a Boy Name Issue. When I was pregnant with our daughter who is now two, we didn&#8217;t find out her sex before she was born. We also found ourselves completely unable to agree on a single boy name we both liked. 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