{"id":6130,"date":"2012-07-27T07:27:00","date_gmt":"2012-07-27T11:27:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2012\/07\/27\/middle-name-challenge-phoebe-____-hirsh-sister-to-jackson-kelley\/"},"modified":"2014-06-18T11:50:51","modified_gmt":"2014-06-18T15:50:51","slug":"middle-name-challenge-phoebe-____-hirsh-sister-to-jackson-kelley","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2012\/07\/27\/middle-name-challenge-phoebe-____-hirsh-sister-to-jackson-kelley\/","title":{"rendered":"Middle Name Challenge: Phoebe ____ Hirsh, Sister to Jackson Kelley"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Morgan writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m hoping you and your readers can help us. I&#8217;m 28 weeks along with baby number two and we&#8217;re seriously stuck on a middle name. Here&#8217;s a bit of background info: I&#8217;m Morgan, my husband is Jeremy, our son is Jackson Kelley (nn Jack) and our last name is Hirsh (with a different spelling). Jackson&#8217;s name came easily. His first name is a place that has a special significance for us and his middle name is an honor name (Kelley was my great grandmother&#8217;s maiden name and also happens to be my middle name as well as that of an uncle and a cousin). We love his name.<\/p>\n<p>After narrowing our list of girl names down we have decided on Phoebe for this baby&#8217;s first name. We are both in love with the name and plan to use Bee as a nickname. The problem we&#8217;re having now is the middle name. We&#8217;d like to continue the tradition we began with our son of using an honor name for a middle name. The LONG list of potential middle honor name contenders has been whittled down to three. They are all from my husband&#8217;s mother&#8217;s side of the family. The contestants are:<\/p>\n<p>Phoebe Lefebvre (pronounced Le FEV) Hirsh<br \/>\nPhoebe Adele Hirsh<br \/>\nPhoebe Pascale Hirsh<\/p>\n<p>My mother-in-law is French and Lefebvre was her maiden name. Pascale was my husband&#8217;s great grandmother&#8217;s first name. Adele was his great great aunt&#8217;s first name. Both were wonderful women and both lived to be over 100. I am somewhat partial to Phoebe Adele, while my husband is favoring Phoebe Lefebvre. My concern with Phoebe Lefebvre is the double &#8220;f&#8221; sound. Does that make it awkward to say? Does the &#8220;v&#8221; sound at the end blend into the &#8220;H&#8221; at the beginning of our last name? At this point we&#8217;ve said all three of these names so many times that they are starting to sound the same.<\/p>\n<p>Any advice you and your readers can provide would be so greatly appreciated. Oh and I PROMISE to send a name update in October with a photo.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I think all three are great choices. The up side: it doesn&#8217;t really matter which one you choose, because any of the three will give her a very good name. The down side: that makes it hard to choose. We had a similar issue when naming our youngest child: three excellent, family-honoring middle names to choose from, and all of them seemed equally good. We finally just&#8230;picked one. I like the one we chose, and I think I would have liked either of the others, too.<\/p>\n<p>I would lean toward Lefebvre, because the other two seem like more distant honors: your husband&#8217;s mother is a much stronger connection than a great-great-aunt or a great-grandmother. Also, I love when it&#8217;s possible to preserve maternal family names as well as paternal ones. Also-also, part of the joy in using an honor name is surprising\/pleasing the person being honored, and your mother-in-law is the only one of the three who is alive. The repeating F sound doesn&#8217;t bother me unless in your family you frequently use the first and middle names&#8212;and actually, if you DO, I like how that sounds: it&#8217;s fun to say! And I don&#8217;t find it blends with the surname: I find I naturally pause between them. But most people find their middle names all but disappear and are rarely said aloud, so in general I don&#8217;t worry much about that.<\/p>\n<p>This is a minor thing, but I like to think about the minor things: Pascale would give her P.P. initials which, along with I.P., I like to avoid for Pee-Related Teasing. But since it&#8217;s first and middle instead of first and last, it&#8217;s unlikely that other children would even know about it. And Pascale gives the cutest monogram, if you like monograms: a central H, bookended with two P&#8217;s.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s have a poll over to the right. [Poll closed; see results below.]<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9437\" src=\"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebe.png\" alt=\"Phoebe\" width=\"251\" height=\"177\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebe.png 251w, https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebe-150x105.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 251px) 100vw, 251px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Name update!<\/b> Morgan writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Just a quick note to thank you and your readers for the wonderful baby naming advice. Our daughter Phoebe Lefebvre H!rsh arrived on October 19th weighing 8lbs 2 oz and measuring 22 inches long. We were stuck on the middle name, but ultimately ended up going with my mother-in-law&#8217;s maiden name of Lefebvre (as opposed to the other front runner Adele, which was the name of a great great aunt). Ultimately it felt more special to honor a close living relative as opposed to a more distant relative who has passed away. Mommy, Daddy and big brother Jackson are all completely in love with our little Phoebe and have taken to calling her Baby Bea.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9438\" src=\"http:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebebaby.jpg\" alt=\"Phoebebaby\" width=\"240\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebebaby.jpg 240w, https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Phoebebaby-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 240px) 100vw, 240px\" \/><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Morgan writes: I&#8217;m hoping you and your readers can help us. I&#8217;m 28 weeks along with baby number two and we&#8217;re seriously stuck on a middle name. Here&#8217;s a bit of background info: I&#8217;m Morgan, my husband is Jeremy, our son is Jackson Kelley (nn Jack) and our last name is Hirsh (with a different [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6130","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-name-update"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3iyiG-1AS","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6130","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6130"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6130\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9441,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6130\/revisions\/9441"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6130"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6130"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6130"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}