{"id":15022,"date":"2020-11-21T12:11:16","date_gmt":"2020-11-21T16:11:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/?p=15022"},"modified":"2021-01-01T11:18:49","modified_gmt":"2021-01-01T15:18:49","slug":"baby-girl-or-boy-banner-with-a-t-sibling-to-miles-and-lucy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/2020\/11\/21\/baby-girl-or-boy-banner-with-a-t-sibling-to-miles-and-lucy\/","title":{"rendered":"Baby Girl or Boy Banner-with-a-T, Sibling to Miles and Lucy"},"content":{"rendered":"

Hi Swistle,<\/p>\n

I am writing on behalf of my brother and sister-in-law, with their blessing of course, to see if your baby name expertise can help with this conundrum!<\/p>\n

They have two children already, a girl and a boy.<\/p>\n

Miles John (5)<\/p>\n

Lucy Samantha (3)<\/p>\n

Their surname is Banner-with-a-T. This will most likely be their last child. The dilemma is that unlike the rest of my siblings, my brother decided not to follow the hyphenated girls’ names tradition that my family has had for generations with Lucy, which has deeply upset my mother.<\/p>\n

Neither my brother or his wife care for this tradition and have decided to sway from it. Although I personally like it, and used it for all my kids, I can understand their thinking.<\/p>\n

This has however caused a rift, as my mother is insisting they hyphenate, as this will probably be her last grandchild. For this reason, my brother seems to be hoping for a boy, to avoid the hyphenation fight that will almost certainly happen.<\/p>\n

Onto actual names, they have a rather short list of ones they like. If it’s a girl, they want the middle name to be Evelyn, after her mother, and if it is a boy, Charles.<\/p>\n

their list is as follows:<\/p>\n

Girls:<\/p>\n

Emma
\nJune
\nPiper
\nElla<\/p>\n

Boys:<\/p>\n

Finn
\nMax
\nLeo
\nNoah<\/p>\n

Which of these go best with Miles and Lucy? What about the hyphenation problem? Any ideas? They could really use your advice O wise Swistle, and with the due date coming up in early January we’re running out of time. Please help find a name for my niece or nephew!<\/p>\n

Thanks so much<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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We are starting with the absolute assumption that we are completely ignoring your mother and what she wants other people to name their babies. “Last grandchild” is irrelevant: your brother and sister-in-law have decided not to use this tradition, and THAT is is relevant here. Plus, it would be very odd to NOT follow the tradition for a first girl, and then follow it for the second, leaving one single girl-grandchild out. Your mother can rest happily knowing that all the other of her children’s households, however many that is, DID choose to follow the tradition, and that’s going to have to be good enough for her. Anyway, we’re leaving that whole topic behind: the decision has been made, and it was THEIR decision to make, not your mom’s, as your mom MUST realize (it really seems as if naming their first daughter without a hyphen would have brought the point home)—or if she doesn’t, it may be time for someone to say it to her very firmly before she makes everyone else “deeply upset.” We need make sure we are accurately identifying where the issue is here: your brother and sister-in-law’s choice not to use a naming tradition is not what is causing the rift; your mother’s inappropriate and continued insistence on the tradition (and her apparent threat to cause a fight if she doesn’t get her way, to the extent that your brother and his wife are HOPING FOR A BOY) is what is causing the rift.<\/p>\n

MOVING ON.<\/p>\n

Looking at the girl list, I’d remove Piper: not only does it seem like an outlier for their usual style, it also repeats the ending of the surname.<\/p>\n

All three of the others work well in the set. If it were entirely up to me, I’d probably remove Emma just because it’s so much more common (and was #1 for so long), but I don’t feel strongly about it. The repeating -u- sound of Lucy and June could be a plus or a minus, depending on the beholder. I worry slightly about getting the sounds swapped and saying Juicy and Loon, but that may be my heightened baseline election\/pandemic anxiety talking. My own first choice would be June without that issue; with that issue, I’d pick Ella. I like the way all three siblings would have a nice strong L sound, but without the names feeling too similar to each other. Miles, Lucy, and Ella.<\/p>\n

From the boy name list, the one that stands out to me as a brother name for Miles is Leo—but I don’t like Lucy and Leo together as much. Noah feels like quite a different style, and shares the popularity issue of Emma. That leaves us with Max and Finn. I personally would choose Finn, but I can see the appeal of Max; it just feels very casual\/nicknamey to me next to Miles.<\/p>\n

I’m inclined to look a little more for a boy name. Simon is a name that I think goes well with Miles and also with Lucy: Miles, Lucy, and Simon.<\/p>\n

Or wait, maybe Theo? Similar to Leo, but better with Lucy. Miles, Lucy, and Theo.<\/p>\n

Or Felix: similar to Max, but two syllables and doesn’t repeat an initial. Miles, Lucy, and Felix.<\/p>\n

Ooo, Reid! Miles, Lucy, and Reid.<\/p>\n

Or Elliot! Miles, Lucy, and Elliot. Like Ella, but longer! (I would not do this same thing with Emma\/Emmett: the -tt of Emmett blends into the surname to make it sound like Emma.)<\/p>\n

Or Nolan. Similar in sound to Noah, but with a little more heft and a little less usage. Miles, Lucy, and Nolan.<\/p>\n

Or Calvin. Miles, Lucy, and Calvin.<\/p>\n

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Name update:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hi Swistle!<\/p>\n

Name Update here for little brother or sister Banner-with-a-T, sibling to Miles and Lucy. Baby #3 arrived bright and early on the morning of December 31st, and I knew I had to update you right after she was born. <\/p>\n

Yes, you heard right, I said she. A beautiful baby girl, Ella Madeleine was born, to wildly excited older siblings and parents. <\/p>\n

Once my brother and his wife decided that none of the names they liked went with Evelyn, so they chose Madeleine, another family name, and Ella as her first name.<\/p>\n

I am also pleased to report my mother eventually calmed down and accepted the name, and is now completely in love with her new granddaughter. She also sympathized with not wanting Lucy to feel left out as the only non hyphenated girl in the family. Whichever commenter suggested telling her this, thank you, it worked! <\/p>\n

On behalf of my brother and sister-in-law I would like to thank you for your assistance in naming their precious girl. They are absolutely in love with both her and her name! <\/p>\n

Thanks so much!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Hi Swistle, I am writing on behalf of my brother and sister-in-law, with their blessing of course, to see if your baby name expertise can help with this conundrum! They have two children already, a girl and a boy. Miles John (5) Lucy Samantha (3) Their surname is Banner-with-a-T. This will most likely be their […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15022","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-name-update"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3iyiG-3Ui","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15022","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15022"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15022\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":15120,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15022\/revisions\/15120"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15022"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15022"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.swistle.com\/babynames\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15022"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}